Recent comments in /f/nyc

PandaJ108 t1_jcaov3h wrote

When most New Yorkers care way more about violent repeat offenders overall ricidivism being down because misdemeanors rearrest deceased while violent felonies rearrest increase means little.

This is the second study in the past year that has claim “bail reform led to less rearrest” only for the numbers to clearly show that the overall decrease was driven solely by a drop in misdemeanor rearrest while felony rearrest rates increased.

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ManhattanRailfan t1_jcaou2g wrote

Like I said, it's about economic insecurity. If people don't feel like they're at risk of going hungry or homeless they're far less likely to commit a crime. Part of it can be linked to desperation, but equally significant is the psychological effect of being or possibly becoming destitute. Stress greatly affects mental health, after all, and poor mental health also leads to crime.

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KaiDaiz t1_jcaoi7m wrote

Ha its like saying majority of police interactions do not result in violent interaction if you talking about all races but if you zoom in on the cases folks protesting about - black and brown interactions with police. It tells a different story.

Same with this story - majority ok...zoom in part ppl care about - violent actors - different story.

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BATMAN_UTILITY_BELT t1_jcao064 wrote

What’s the proof of this? No one has ever eliminated poverty, so how can we know if that would eliminate the vast majority of crime?

It also depends on how you define poverty. Is it a specific income level? Is it the ability to afford the necessities but not the luxuries? The terminology needs to be explicitly defined.

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SchaeferJ17 t1_jcancws wrote

You missed the point of the entire article dummy.

The point is that making $150k is no longer considered a bench mark upperclass goal as it once was.

$100k plus is the new middle class and even with that amount of money, it’s not a middle class cake walk like it was pitched to most of us throughout the 80’s/90’s/00’s.

Of course Chi will be fine but he’s using this as a jumping off point to discuss how fucked the economy is for people under the age of 50.

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PandaJ108 t1_jcan98s wrote

The two year rearrest rate is down once you group misdemeanor, pending case, and violent felonies together. Misdemeanor rearrest being down is what pulls the overall numbers down.

But a look at the chart of page 17 clearly shows that those in the bail/reform group who had a pending case or were arrested on violent felony were more likely to be rearrested.

I think people care way more about those with a pending case and/or a violent felony arrest being more likely to get rearrested even if the raw numbers are relatively low when compared to misdemeanors.

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burnshimself t1_jcamdu1 wrote

Lol on what authority do you think this man was a millionaire? Other than owning a home in park slope - which I gather they’ve owned for decades and bought when real estate in park slope was super cheap and the area was not its present yuppie playground - I see no signs of material wealth. He went on scholarship to school - not something that a wealthy family would have been offered and concrete evidence of his family’s income being well below what you’re representing.

He was a lawyer in the music industry - which he did for about 10 years until leaving in 2001. That’s a fine living, but not upper class. He probably was a salaried employee and not even a partner-level lawyer. He didn’t have his own firm. And big big money didn’t show up in hip hop until after he left the industry. So I don’t see his legal career as being something that would have hugely enriched him.

And the blog / podcast job almost certainly didn’t make him rich. Only very recently (last 5 years) have any podcasters started making real big money. And that’s only the biggest names. This guy ran a middling niche podcast that could never pay him any kind of big money. Same for blogging - journalism is notoriously not lucrative.

Living at home with your parents is the opposite of privilege. Privilege is having your parents pay for you to have your own apartment. Millions of Americans live at home into their 20s, usually because they can’t afford to move out. How is being too poor to move out of your parents house privilege? Or are we just saying anyone who doesn’t have two dead, destitute, homeless crack addicts parents is privileged?

So again I’ll ask where is the privilege?

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mowotlarx OP t1_jcalrff wrote

It's not disingenuous, you just don't want to hear the fact that ricidivism went down. This study was by John Jay College - a criminal justice school - not by Gothamist.

>This new study found that the two-year rearrest rate for those released due to bail reform was 44%, compared to 50% for those with similar charges, criminal histories and demographics who were held in jail in the period before the reform.

Because most violent arrestees aren't released. They do not account for a significant percentage of those out. Given *all the data on all those released pre-trial"...the numbers went down. So who is being disingenuous here?

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