Upvote for link and advisements. It’s better to be wrong and alive than correct and dead is accurate and in NY you SHOULD wait until you have the legal counsel before “fighting” your arrest even if NYPD violates use of force guidelines making resisting a defensible action.

My first arrest ever, the cop tried to throw me down some stairs but I managed to balance myself and they ended up getting hurt. I got charged with assault on an officer while resisting arrest. At arraignment the judge asked what the initial arrest was for and LUCKILY the cops in my case didn’t think that far ahead so my felony charges disappeared and I ended up with a violation for harassment of an officer. I hear you and I agree with your advice in theory, but I have also lived my life.

I’m sorry that happened to you. Nowhere did I say the criminal justice system is fair, you’re one of many people who doesn’t get justice or accountability in it.

That doesn’t change the fact that slamming someone’s head against the concrete to the point of knocking them out is a serious potential injury. It’s wrong when a private citizen or a cop does it and there should be repercussions for either if done with malice.

I think in using terms like “Angel police officers” you’re speaking to a strawman and not me anymore.

A cop slammed my head on the concrete once and gave me a TBI. Because someone told them I was drunk. I remember the whole thing clearly because I was at a work event & talking with my boss online & had merely stood in front of the door to a bar area in an entertainment venue, pissing off a manager who screamed at me & then lied to the cops. All charges dropped after I was processed. Still get headaches on that side of my head. Wrote an article about it for the publication I was working at during that time.

Sorry about your angel police officers. I don’t wish for them to get hurt. But “could have been hurt” is not “gotten very badly hurt”. Pushing someone over is not attempted murder. If it was, surely modern policing would be impossible as I keep seeing arrest videos where the suspect’s head is repeatedly slammed into the pavement. I don’t wish for suspects to get unnecessarily hurt either. I’ll take the downvotes for that.

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Watching the initial struggle, I couldn't help thinking: "Sweep the leg!"

The lines are definitely becoming blurred. Go on tiktok and you’ll see half of an interaction and it’ll get millions of views with strong opinions with no context. I’m pretty sure that’s what the people filming here were hoping for. A “viral” moment, hence the antagonizing and encouraging going on.

I think it’s more so just the way the internet works. It frequently uses anger or outrage as a driver so it brings together the most toxic and inauthentic parts of people and their opinions. I know I likely bring shitty parts of myself into discussions sometimes as well. People in the real world tend to be a lot more wide ranging and interesting than the way we all present online. And terminally online or relatively immature people tend to be so divorced from actual reality that you need to get in arguments that slamming the back of your head on concrete could result in a potentially life changing injury.

According to Google Not in NY. You can fight a charge for resisting arrest and have it dropped if it’s unlawful but you can’t legally resist arrest.

However, you truly have to be some kind of stupid to think resisting arrest is going to go well for you. You have a situation where the cop thinks they are in the right and you think you’re in the right.

We know cops are assholes and love a power trip, especially NYPD. AND knowing this makes you think resisting an arrest is your best course of action? That makes 0 sense.

Shit, even if it’s legal I still don’t understand in what world you’re going to convince a cop that’s already gotten physical to just relax and let you go. I rather be alive than dead right.

Also I feel like I have to say I’m a liberal because I know the only response people have here when someone doesn’t agree is some sort of go suck on trumps cock type of response.

We’re smart, we can have multiple ideas in our head at the same time. You can both think cops need to change AND agree this dude is a complete idiot for what he did.

> Unlawful arrest – A person may be found not guilty of resisting arrest if the arrest was done unlawfully, meaning, without a warrant or probable cause. It is not advisable, however, to argue the legality of an arrest as it is happening especially if the officer is acting in their capacity lawfully. It would be better to determine the legality of arrest when you have legal counsel and help on your side.

https://www.lebedinkofman.com/how-to-get-a-resisting-arrest-charge-dropped-in-new-york/

I don’t know. The really crazy idea here is assaulting the police, to be honest.

Like it or not people get hurt when their skull hits pavement. If you’re going to tussle on the street, know it means there’s possible massive repercussions to your actions.

I played rugby for four years with pretty reckless abandon to my body, even at my dumbest I never would have played on concrete.

Just goes to show how ridiculous and out of touch people are on this sub! Justifying and encouraging assaulting cops and the “peanut gallery” filming and encouraging it.

You’re ridiculous.

There is no mass moral decline. You're not the stalwart main character you think you are. Geniuses like you have been crying about Moral decline for years even when crime and violence goes down. You're not goint to get your west is falling vindication anytime soon

We send our kids out to get concussions (not to mention countless repeated sub-concussive impacts) all the time because people love american football, but now one’s a reason to get all het up about someone with the temerity to resist arrest i.e. demonstrate how cops are bad at their jobs?

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Even if what he said happened was true, would you allow a stranger to use your phone?

Generalizing an entire group based on the behavior of a few individuals is "problematic", don't you think? But I guess it's ok in your moral framework when it's directed towards police.

Clearly you’ve never met anyone who has suffered a tbi and your head is used to weathering the storm of hitting concrete like it’s nothing I guess?

Or - hear me out - the police could have helped him. I know, crazy idea right?

He didn’t severely injure anything but a cop’s ego. Just like those milkshake poison cops a few years ago.

Except the police exhibit as much contempt for the law as normal people, if not more. I was on hoyt street walking with my kids last weekend. Some twerp pulled his suv right up onto the sidewalk just south of fulton. I said “what are you doing bro, this is the sidewalk?” And he replied “did i hit you? No, so go on.”

So when i got to schermerhorn two blocks down i saw a cop and told him “hey, some jerk just pulled up and parked on the sidewalk two blocks back, can you please help?” And he could not have cared less. As i walked away i didn’t know what to tell my kids - why do we have police if they have no interest in addressing wrongdoing?

In thinking about it further, it made sense the cop didn’t care because they park on the sidewalk all the time and break traffic laws with impunity for their own convenience (rather than only when responding to emergencies).

But people see the police’s actions and take their cues from them. If our law enforcement personnel are themselves lawless, why expect different from our citizenry?

I don't remember that. I do remember the guy with this lifetime obsession / mental disorder that impersonated MTA officials like a dozen times before working up the courage to finally hijack a train straight out the yard. He then drove it like he stole it. By which I mean calmly and normally so as not to attract police attention. He operated it perfectly safely making all stops as normal. He had studied the shit out of everything. His one true crime was operating an MTA vehicle on schedule.

To this day, no one really knows why this grown man didn't just apply for a job at the MTA.

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There it is! “Bootlicker!” 🤣

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Traumatic brain injuries are no joke. Pretty clear the guy can’t even stand after his head hit the pavement. That’s at least a severe concussion and could be worse.