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Square-War2619 t1_jal4q48 wrote

I think it's a matter of whether it will impact the indigenous way of life and the actions taken here are legal. IMO the natives should be able to lease the land the same way they lease land for turbines in the states, but that should be negotiated with the government extensively. Secondly, the EPA equivalent should produce studies of the ecological harm with geographical survey data, wind farms do decrease foot traffic, but not by enough.

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Some basic reading material, not really a nail in the coffin can be found below, breaking down some of the negative impact.

See: HERE

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The study does seem to support animals are likely to avoid the turbines, but that's by distances of 100s of meters, not kilometers. So, the ecological statement, "all the caribou are going to flee the area," is hard to really support. The next steps should be a public discussion about the implementation of the turbines and surveys of how the caribou are likely to react to a turbine.

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zsero1138 t1_jal4864 wrote

documents are dynamic, and in the grand scheme of things don't matter. if someone self identifies as something other than what you think they should identify, your opinion is invalid. it's not that tough to use someones correct pronouns (correct ones being the ones they feel most comfortable being called). and correct pronouns are not something you have to earn, misgendering someone because they did something bad just shows that you're a shit person who doesn't respect anyone who doesn't fit into your worldview

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fodahmania t1_jal46nf wrote

Alright then: ”Results During construction of the wind farms, use of original migration routes and movement corridors within 2 km of development declined by 76 %. This decline in use corresponded to an increase in activity of the reindeer measured by increased step lengths within 0–5 km. The step length was highest nearest the development and declining with distance, as animals moved towards migration corridors and turned around or were observed in holding patterns while not crossing. During construction, reindeer avoided the wind farms at both regional and landscape scale of selection.

Conclusions The combined construction activities associated with even a few wind turbines combined with power lines and roads in or close to central movement corridors caused a reduction in the use of such corridors and grazing habitat and increased the fragmentation of the reindeer calving ranges.”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10980-015-0210-8

And also:

”The establishment of the two small WFs in the calving range clearly changed reindeer habitat selection.”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/ece3.4476

And also:

”In order to examine the domesticated reindeer’s reactions to various disturbance sources, we reviewed 18 studies of the effects of human activity and infrastructure on 12 populations of domesticated reindeer and compared these to studies on wild reindeer and caribou; based on this, we discuss the effects of domestication and tameness on reindeer responses to anthropogenic disturbance. We also consider the relevance of spatial and temporal scales and data collection methods when evaluating the results of these studies. The reviewed studies showed that domesticated reindeer exhibit avoidance behaviours up to 12 km away from infrastructure and sites of human activity and that the area they avoid may shift between seasons and years. Despite a long domestication process, reindeer within Sami reindeer-herding systems exhibit similar patterns of large-scale avoidance of anthropogenic disturbance as wild Rangifer, although the strength of their response may sometimes differ. This is not surprising since current Sami reindeer husbandry represents an extensive form of pastoralism, and the reindeer are not particularly tame.”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00300-014-1499-5

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Dranj t1_jal3yqz wrote

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CascadianExpat t1_jal0owi wrote

> You people are painfully disingenuous, and far more transparent than you think that you are.

And you’re not nearly as smart or perceptive as you think you are. I mean, talk about an ad hominem. “I bet you’re the wrong kind of person because you questioned my political tribe, therefore you’re wrong.”

No, I do believe in climate change. Which is a bummer, because the people I agree with about that are too chickenshit to go after real solutions, and torpedo their credibility by opposing hydro, nuclear, and even wind and solar if they aren’t 100% happy with the location.

Look, if I go with a colleague to convince a neighbor that their pesticide is killing the local bees, and that neighbor offers to switch to an alternative, and my colleague says “absolutely not, my cat might sneeze occasionally if you use that one,” then I can hardly blame my neighbor for thinking my colleague and I are full of shit. It’s the same with climate change.

Greens could have had nuclear and hydro power coming out of their ears 20 years ago if they pitched it as a win-win for climate and “energy independence.” But, in typical fashion, they let perfect be the enemy of the good and insisted that we get rid of existing clean, renewable energy. You can’t do that and then expect people to believe you that climate change is an existential threat.

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CascadianExpat t1_jakzfpq wrote

  1. Windmills aren’t going to kill off the caribou. That’s nonsense.
  2. We can’t build enough windmills if we scrap every project every time someone comes up with some objection.
  3. We can’t solve climate change if we won’t allow anyone to have their lives impacted in some way. NIMBYism is bad enough when the stakes are affordability; it’s not acceptable when the stakes are ecological collapse.
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