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QuineQuest t1_jasplou wrote

There are alt least two major problems with hydrogen:

  1. Converting from electrical energy to chemical (making hydrogen) and back again is hugely inefficient. As in losses in the 60% range. By comparison, storing the energy in a battery and extracting it again carries about 10% loss.
  2. Hydrogen isn't very dense. It will take up a lot of space. To make a 373-size plane that can cross the Atlantic, there wouldn't be any space left for passengers.
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_toodamnparanoid_ t1_jask17f wrote

I found that for turbine aircraft you want to get to altitude faster for the same reason. A max thrust climb will burn at a higher rate but you get to altitude so much faster and the burn rate four every thousand feet you climb drops significantly. That's not just to enter cruise but also the efficiency at altitude.

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panzercardinal2 t1_jasjnct wrote

Most everyone is missing the point of UH2. They are creating a proof-of-concept for an application of their primary mission, which is hydrogen logistics. Even if every plane had one of these cells for each engine, there's no infrastructure to supply it.

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Now that they've proved this out, it's gonna be a pivot towards HOW TO SUPPLY THE H2 in a manner to support the GIGANTIC number of retrofits that OEM's/operators are going to make. But no OEM/operator is going to make that retrofit until there's a reliable supply that supports their ops, so the comments worrying about the efficiency comparison are missing the forest for the trees.

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jawshoeaw t1_jasbz4p wrote

For anyone who didn't read article: this was an electric motor being tested on one side of the aircraft, with the other being a conventional turbine engine aka turboprop. The electric motor was fed by electricity generated in a fuel cell that used hydrogen as the fuel source. In other words, they didn't "burn" the hydrogen in a turbine engine, This is why the pilot reported it was so much smoother. It was an electric motor. The hydrogen was sourced from water, not from natural gas so was in some sense truly "green"

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jawshoeaw t1_jasajd4 wrote

would clarify that while slowly ramping can be inefficient, flooring the accelerator, depending on the vehicle can also be inefficient .The principle being an engine under load is more efficient , but only up to a point again depending on design. but in this case, the motor was electric so no reason not to goose it :)

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