Recent comments in /f/newhampshire

opuntina t1_jaw2ik2 wrote

If that were the issue then the charges need to relate to that. The problem is that's likely covered under free speach.

As it stands they are charged with trespassing. If they are found guilty then that sets a precedent where anyone who attaches a sign to an overpass fence is guilty of trespassing.

If they were found guilty of hate speach then that would be a different story.

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YBMExile t1_jaw0jia wrote

You are giving these young white dudes cover. This isn’t someone’s 98 year old grandpa who never left the state and may have an opportunity to learn something about people that don’t look like him. These are men who had to have been exposed to plenty of black and brown folks in their life, and STILL choose to see this as grievance. They are beyond redemption.

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HorrorThis t1_jaw0hah wrote

No, we obviously don't. You must be able to make the distinction of why this particular act was offensive versus someone hanging an overpass sign about donating blood or not drunk driving without permission.

The issue here is the disgusting thing that they were promoting, the easiest thing for them to be charged with was trespass in the situation. But you must be smart enough to realize the issue is not that they were there but what they were promoting. Come on.

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Maldonian t1_jaw08hg wrote

These are preventable crashes, not “accidents.”

You yourself mentioned that one motorist decided to leave his lane.

Instead of blaming the road, a solution might be a real road test that means people have to actually be good at driving to get a license, and strong enforcement of traffic laws. (But without just using the laws as revenue traps.)

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otiswrath t1_javxws7 wrote

To be clear, trespassing is the unlawful entry on to the land of another or the unlawful propelling of objects or other persons on to the property of another.

Hanging signs on the property of another without permission is trespassing.

While I believe that every person deserves the right to a full throated legal defense I am not super surprised they are having trouble finding counsel. The legal community in NH is pretty small and no one wants to become known in Fascist circles as the go to lawyer but someone will pop up to take it.

Remember, no one is willing to take the case for the amount of money they are willing to pay...yet.

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thenagain11 t1_javx40x wrote

If you are doing something in protest you do so with the knowledge that you could always be arrested for your actions- dumb ass people that throw soup on painting for climate action get arrested- even if there is glass protecting it and it can just be mopped up - why shouldn't racists?

It's not a blank canvas - police don't want anyone putting stuff up on overpasses, especially those stupid cups, that is why there are laws. Any other person who did that without a permit should also be fined or arrested because it is a danger to safety if these things blow away into the windshields of oncoming traffic. That's why they have permits. It just isn't in the newspaper when those violators are fined or arrested because they aren't racists. This isn't infringing on anyone's rights. He did something stupid and bigoted. We should absolutely not let him get away with it.

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Intru t1_javwviw wrote

People aren't really ready or want safe streets and all the infrastructure changes that this requires. They just want other "bad" drivers off the roads. It's the "I'm a good driver syndrome", we are all good drivers in our own eyes and its the others that are doing something wrong.

"Why should my drive be inconvenience with these safety designs, we just need to get rid of bad drivers".

But that not how safety works, if we want people to drive in a certain way we need to ingrain that in the actual infrastructure so that laws and enforcement can actually be reflected in the design of the road/street.

And that not even addressing the question of why there are so many drivers in the first place. Which begs us to ask, should we looking at choices for mobility shifting where possible, as a way of providing options and reduce the amount of trips done/requiring a car?

This are the questions we need to be asking, especially around our southern urban center and mayor transit corridors.

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RickyDaytonaJr t1_javwtkh wrote

Engineers could design every road in New Hampshire like a bumper car track and there would still be lots of crashes. Next time you are out and about, take a look at how many drivers are looking at the phone in their lap rather than the road, or how many drivers cross the centerline, or how many drivers tailgate at unsafe distances, or how many drivers cut people off at turns, or how many drivers are traveling at excessive speeds, or how many drivers don’t understand the right-of-way rules at stop signs, or how many drivers speed up to go through the yellow light at an intersection. You’d need to find one hell of a team of engineers to develop designs that preemptively avoid all of that behavior.

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AKBigDaddy t1_javvd3v wrote

He's not unreasonable- separating the scumbag from the act is important. He brings up a lot of valid points that this is a dangerous precedent to set.

If the sign said make new england diverse, or some other message that we might agree with, would you still expect them to be charged? I wouldn't, and I firmly believe the law should apply to all acts equally, regardless of message. I find these guys detestable. But if we wouldn't charge someone with a message encouraging diversity, we shouldn't charge someone for a message discouraging it. It crosses into a first amendment issue that I'm not ok crossing into personally.

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Intru t1_javv910 wrote

I know, I might of been a bit harsh but I did studied it. And even tho I exaggerated and catoonized it I do so out of frustration, because I see my piers so wholly unprepared and pushing archaic priorities when put in a DPW role. That's not to say that they are all like this, there some very competent DPW staff in the Seacoast, for example, that usually get vetoed down by state or local pressure do to lack of understanding, byzantine regulations, or just local pressures and fears of change.

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