Annihilation wasn't as bad as Ad Astra (no connection, just another weird failed sci-fi movie from around the same time, which somebody happened to mention in these comments) but was a fail on many levels.

People talked about the amnesia cut when they first go in and their rations are gone, yeah I liked that moment except then I don't believe anything else in the movie ever re-used the same phenomenon of missing elapsed time. Because the movie is a jumbled mish-mash of inconsistent nonsense.

Everybody is talking about the bear, which indeed was scary, but seems like a writer coming up with a scary thing but now being able to connect it to anything in a relevant way. It's also an excuse for the (OF COURSE) gung ho firing of machine guns. Of course a movie superficially about some scientists going in to succeed where the pure military guys failed shows the characters all with M16's or whatever: American gun fetish. Gotta have guns. The only good angle with the gun stuff was that the science team got further than the soldier team. I actually like good soldier story stuff, and this is quite an affecting example where a team prepared in the exact wrong ways both physically and mentally for a mission are doomed...and not through a fault of their own necessarily, which makes it all the more tragic and disturbing.

Anyway the biggest fail of the movie was the shallow use of natural environments: the woods, the water, vegetation all around, and with the conceit of mutations and biological alterations (etc etc) yet no weird lifeforms were ever observed at all except for a couple cases of needing to shoot machine guns again (the bear, the crocodile). Any idiot who has ever been in the woods knows that you are SURROUNDED on all sides by bugs, mosquitos, birds, salamanders, small mammals, dragonflies, blackflies, moths, fish, moss, fungi, algae, and yet this movie ignorantly has no awareness of any of this except for a couple Capital S Scenes for guns (shooting a scary bear monster, shooting a crocodile). Now I know that may seem like a thin criticism, but keep in mind all the biological pretense of this movie (like a character suddenly becoming a plant, and everything else) and the fact that it takes place in a lush natural wild environment, and yet...almost zero critters.

The ending was also pretentious crap with the silly metallic dance-like alien doppelganger thing. The core idea here is good and scary, especially with how a neutral innocent movement inadvertently causes the opposite movement which then causes protagonist to get temporarily crushed (that's great writing for a psychological/biological/sci-fi/confusion scenario), but the way it was done visually and direction-wise was crap.

I do want to say that apart from the amnesia ellipsis (which I liked, when it happened), the giant worm portal thing in Oscar Isaac's abdomen was also another well-done disturbing sci-fi/psychological/body horror/anomaly moment.

As a point of contrast, when someone like Tarkovsky makes a movie like Solaris, I think he actually thinks more about his ideas and commits more, whereas Annihilation is an inconsistent mish-mash and compormised.

Leonard explained before his own demise that it was their job to make Andrew and Eric witness so that they understood that it was real and they could see and experience it first hand , its purpose was to show the harshness to get one of them to choose to save the world imo. Redmond even told them to witness and not to look away.

Putting Predator above both Terminators feels like heresy, but I'll let it slide

I couldn't disagree more.

LOL...well done on figuring it out. I had to have someone explain it to me. 🤣

The couple at the end are the cancerous replicas of the original "cells". I kind of figured this out during the video recording reveal in the 3rd act, and this was while I was on shrooms. Oh no everyone at the end of the movie has space cancer now aaah.

I'm glad the OP got their answer but damn that opening paragraph went from zero to crazy in 2s flat.

If someone says a thing is "about" something, that is meaningless nonsense except for people who think art is reducible to a 3 word cryptographic secret message.

Saying it's "about" "cancer" is like saying Terminator is about exterminator companies. Biological malignance doesn't mean it's a secret essay about cancer, otherwise The Blob and John Carpenter's The Thing and etc etc are all "about" "cancer" which is obviously false and a silly immature thoughtless way of looking at art.

Ad Astra was unsalvageable pretentious garbage, almost everything was wrong on every level. Even the name is pretentious bullshit. I liked James Grey before seeing Ad Astra, too.

Annihilation is a fail on many levels, but at least as some respectable failures and attempts and some creepy moments and thematic stuff that hold together.

I mean Ad Astra has people driving 1960's lunar rovers for no reason, why is Donald Sutherland (I love the guy) even there, why is Ruth Negga even there, why is the pirate lunar rover chase even there, now we're surfing on a nuke wave with a piece of metal surfboard like it's the end of commonly-cited worst Bond movie ever Die Another Day. Terrible stuff. And it's made all the more terrible by the fact that "Heart of Darkness...in Space" could have been good.

Stray Dog

Drunken Angel

The Lower Depths

Leonard also says once the four of them are dead and they didn’t make their choice it would be too late to stop it.

However >!Eric killed himself, which Leonard said wouldn’t be enough, and everything stops. This suggests he was lying, or at least adding his own details.!<

Yeah that one was one of the best parts, fullblown confusion almost immediately despite all confidence going in.

Strange that you were almost mad though, it was obviously part of the reality and the distortion. Though now that I think of it, nothing else in the movie has amnesia ellipsis…why didn’t that same phenomenon ever happen again?

Seven Samurai

Rashomon

Yojimbo

Sanjuro

Throne of Blood

Hidden Fortress

High and Low

Ikiru

Ran

Red Beard

High and Low

Seven Samurai

Throne of Blood

Yojimbo

Rashomon

All you need to know is that everything got fucked up and no single character knows why/how. That's the movie. You could look at it like 12 Angry Men as criminals after a failed heist.

You can be a fan of a filmmaker if you've only seen one film from them.

No need to gatekeep.

I'm gonna say it doesn't matter much. Look at how strong those two lists are.

High and Low

https://youtu.be/sTk14EBVHk4

It was super popular in the gay club scene in the early 80s as drag show musicals. Truthfully, I don't really see it any different than country line dancing except with more sequins.

The movie itself is pretty not great but the experience is fun. Also if the place allows you to throw toast.

Essentially yes, but it was showing them their choices had consequences.

It probably shouldn’t make sense to non cult people, although the ending shows they were right.

I guess that still doesn't make sense to me. If they don't die, they don't have to make the choice. It was emotional blackmail.

You wouldn't say that if you saw The Gift. He plays a d-bag redneck surprisingly well. He has more range than people give him credit for.

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When my friend told me that Annihilation was about cancer, a lot of it made sense.

They believed in their shared visions, which may have told them they had to do that, but it was also supposed to motivate Andrew and Eric to make their choice. Because if they don’t sacrifice one of them, innocents will die. Kind of accenting that.