Oh! Traffic is OG! Not as violent, but tells such a full story of the war on drugs! Very dark movie though.

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>People aren't referencing Blade Runner when they create cyberpunk fiction/art...

Yes they absolutely are. They even put references of it into them.

>A film which is an entirely different kind of science fiction.

Yes, a franchise which took cues from Blade Runner in its depiction of Earth.

You're objectively wrong. Maybe some reading will help educate and give you some humility. You'll find some quotes in there of all the people whom were inspired by Syd Mead's work, the chief designer of the visual style in bladerunner. Many of whom work on the content you brainlessly consume now.

>The film has influenced many science fiction films, video games, anime, and television series. It brought the work of Philip K. Dick to the attention of Hollywood, and several of his works later became films such as Total Recall (1990), Minority Report (2002), and A Scanner Darkly (2006). In 1993, it was selected for preservation in the U.S. National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".
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>While not initially a success with North American audiences, Blade Runner was popular internationally and garnered a cult following.[137] The film's dark style and futuristic designs have served as a benchmark and its influence can be seen in many subsequent science fiction films, video games, anime, and television programs.[114] For example, Ronald D. Moore and David Eick, the producers of the re-imagining of Battlestar Galactica, have both cited Blade Runner as one of the major influences for the show.[138]
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>Blade Runner continues to reflect modern trends and concerns, and an increasing number of critics consider it one of the greatest science fiction films of all time.[148] It was voted the best science fiction film ever made in a 2004 poll of 60 eminent world scientists.[149] Blade Runner is also cited as an important influence to both the style and story of the Ghost in the Shell franchise, which itself has been highly influential to the future-noir genre.[150][151] Blade Runner has been very influential to the cyberpunk movement.[152][153][154][155] It also influenced the cyberpunk derivative biopunk, which revolves around biotechnology and genetic engineering.[156][157]
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>The design of Tesla's Cybertruck was inspired by the film.[179] Prior to its release Elon Musk promised that it would "look like something out of Blade Runner".[180] Besides referring to the truck as the "Blade Runner Truck", Musk chose to debut the truck in order to coincide with the film's setting of November 2019.[181] The film's art designer Syd Mead praised the truck and said he was "flattered" by the homage to Blade Runner.[180]

It's so iconic it's literally preserved in the U.S National Film Registry and inspired countless works of science fiction after it's release. Including "non-cyberpunk" scifi.

It's a shame you're so ignorant. A little bit of googling would have spared you this embarrassment. I guess you don't understand the definition of iconic?

End of Watch is intense.

I believe Keysi was just for MI:3. I think from MI:4 onwards they switched to a more generic Krav Maga/ Boxing

I think Kate's viewpoint does more than just highlight the morality as well. It's interesting to see how all of the newfound experience effects her at the end considering how strong her moral barometer was shown to be.

In my opinion the second one is amazing.

I think you enjoy it much more if you're invested in Matt and Alejandro's characters. Their black ops romance lol.

Yeah, I can see that.

Although, the whole plot in the first film was to cause enough noise to bring the main guy in to the light so they could get him.

Yeah, Alejandro single handedly handing out vengeance on the bad guy and his family wasn't in line with the rest of the film, where they're all in properly commanded groups.

But tbh, I think it was to justify how much Alejandro and his family suffered at the hands of the bad guy, hence him being this super bad ass who was hell bent on revenge and had the skills to back it up.

Yeah it's a brilliant film.

I recommended it to a few friends but I don't know, they didn't experience it the way I did.

I genuinely think it's a masterpiece.

Damn.

I mean, I get the whole Kate is through the looking glass with the whole black ops stuff, but it just felt so boring to me. I mean, they set out that the film is under the radar black ops, dirty work that no one sees that we all know goes on.

But as an informed FBI agent, she just felt too goody goody.

I mean, she keeps the film morally in check in terms on the plot, but everytime she kept repeating how it was wrong etc I just rolled my eyes.

I mean I do get it, but it didn't seem to fit the film.

But tbh, without her, it doesn't emphasise what the black ops guys are doing is wrong/illegal.

I do see your point, and tbh, if she didn't highlight how their actions are "wrong", I guess I wouldn't of seen the sequel as "oh shit, this world is dark".

Agreed that Brolin killed it, he plays a fairly realistic CIA:SAD guy. That scene where the Texas police (state troopers?) Are briefing the joint ops guys is also incredibly realistic and pretty funny. That film had some top notch advisors helping the screenplay.

Haven't seen City of God in years, I might just go rewatch it tomorrow. Great movie.

Thanks for the suggestions!

I'll take a look at the ones I haven't seen. From that list I haven't seen five out of all the films you listed.

I'll have a watch and report back, thanks.

Also, City of God (recommended it to a friend but they didn't want to watch because of subtitles lol) Heat, The Departed, The Town are 10/10, never watched Traffic but will add it to my list!

>there's nothing "specific" to bladerunner?

Firstly, it's spelt Blade Runner.

Secondly, that's not what I said. But I shouldn't be surprised that you're confused because you can't spell the name of the movie.

There is nothing specific to Blade Runner in cyberpunk.

People aren't referencing Blade Runner when they create cyberpunk fiction/art... they're referencing cyberpunk. Any connection to Blade Runner was lost a long, long time ago.

>This has to be the dumbest thing I've read on reddit in months.

Clearly you don't read your own comments.

>A science fiction film just became one of the highest grossing films ever.

A film which is an entirely different kind of science fiction.

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I haven't watched the second one. I really liked the first one but my one complaint is their mission seemed so easy. Nothing went wrong, he managed to get into the dudes house with ease.

I didn’t mind Day of Soldado, but the first one is a masterpiece.

>If you don't want a response to your opinions then keep them to yourself.

>So, your argument for why the film Blade Runner is iconic is that the aesthetic which has been aped endlessly and applied to wildly different science fiction is iconic? Do you see the problem here? There's nothing specific to Blade Runner and your best argument for its being iconic is that its designs were capable of being abstracted out of the movie.

The problem I see is you have no argument here, you just described what an iconic work of fiction does. You think there's nothing "specific" to bladerunner? What the hell are you even talking about? I just told you what it specifically influenced.

>you're just telling me that Blade Runner's influence is limited to the science fiction ghetto

The sf sub-genre of Cyberpunk by itself is massive. Ever heard of Cyberpunk 2077!? I'm actually laughing at the use of "ghetto of Science fiction". This has to be the dumbest thing I've read on reddit in months.

A science fiction film just became one of the highest grossing films ever.

You're objectively wrong here.

I'm intrigued.

Why don't you count the second film?

Is it solely based on the script? And the original script for what, the first or second film?

Villeneuve just has a way with gritty interesting storytelling. I really enjoy watched films through his lens. I remember watching Prisoners with my dad when I was 15 and I was blown away and just well he told that story. His success with Dune and Blade Runner don't surprise me at all. It's going to be fun to watch his career continue to grow moving forward.

I don’t count the second film, i think Villeneuve really elevated the script on screen to the masterpiece it is, something day of soldado lacked. If you read the original script it’s just not as impactful.

I loved how del Toro’s character killed it in the 3rd act… he went from being a relative bystander to Blunt’s and Brolin’s characters to just dominating the film. The music in the whole flick was top notch. I couldnt stop thinking how much of a bad ass del Toro’s character was after watching it. Great movie, it is mos def one of the best movies I’ve watched in the last 10 years.

With regards to other similar movie suggestions, the screenwriter for Sicario, Tyler Sheridan has done some great work in Hell or High Water or Wind River.

Just limiting to the 21st century: Pretty much all of Villeneuve 's movies, Wind River, Hell or High Water, No Country, Drive, The Town, The Departed, American Made, Drive, Killing Them Softly, Miami Vice, Collateral, Man on Fire, Training Day, The Way of the Gun, City of God. Maybe some Matthew Vaughn or Guy Ritchie.

Then there's a lot of 20th century stuff, certainly Heat. And Traffic for the Del Toro parts.

There's a show on Amazon too, ZeroZeroZero.

So, your argument for why the film Blade Runner is iconic is that the aesthetic which has been aped endlessly and applied to wildly different science fiction is iconic? Do you see the problem here? There's nothing specific to Blade Runner and your best argument for its being iconic is that its designs were capable of being abstracted out of the movie.

But the bigger problem with the argument is that I have defined "iconic" in terms of mainstream crossover, whereas you're just telling me that Blade Runner's influence is limited to the science fiction ghetto. You know, the very people I repeatedly pointed out do like Blade Runner to the exclusion of everyone else.

Of course Blade Runner is iconic lmao. Objectively so. It literally spawned the art direction for the scifi subgenre of Cyberpunk. Which has inspired countless films, books, games, anime, and comics. It literally created the de-facto look for dystopian sci-fi.

You can not like Bladerunner, that's fine, but saying it "isn't actually iconic" is objectively wrong. It permeates the majority of science fiction media. Syd Mead's designs have been propping up the scifi world ever since...