The production was definitely cool but does that mean not many people connect with the display of this story either?

> the set design, costumes, cinematography

The look of the movie was very influential.

Yeah, i grew up with it and it's one of the first of it's kind of depicting the" future as being old". It's very influential with it's art direction, sets and style.

But, it's cult movie for a reason. More sizzle than steak.

I love it, because I'm of it's time, but I get people not loving it now.

The sequel is really good, and it updates the stylization very well.

You asked why is the movie so iconic, and then mentioned a whole heap of major things about it you could still appreciate from it.

Those things and it’s storytelling are why, it’s just not a film that resonated with you.

Depends. Did Bourne kill Wick's dog?

In a street fight, Jimmy Cagney would take them all (any Summer Rental fans out there?).

Mission Impossible is easily my favorite series out of these and you sir are right 😂

I'll be the nerd that digs in on fighting style.

John Wick is a practitioner of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, which is a lot of grappling, positioning, and ground fighting.

Jason Bourne primarily uses a mix of Kali and Jeet Kune Do. Defensive postures and swift counterattack.

Ethan Hunt started out mostly with capoeira (flashy, acrobatic fighting) and shifted to Keysi Fighting Method (defensive postures and elbow or hammerfist responses) in later films.

All of this is dubious, because of the magic of filmmaking and how every fighter says their style is the best, but I'd say:

Hunt and Bourne would square off well in the opening round, but Bourne would win out.

If Bourne can keep his feet, he'd beat Wick, but if Wick can get him on the ground, shit's gonna go bad for Bourne.

Hunt versus Wick would be a mess, but Wick would roll it up in the end.

Three-way fight would go better for Hunt, since Keysi is designed with multiple opponents in mind and it multiple opponents plays more to Hunt's trickster tendencies, but Bourne is still going to win out just based on the level of violence in the methods.

Ethan Hunt vs Peter Dinklage

It would be a toss up between Bourne and Wick. Hunt is better when he has a team. He has yet to be truly solo for a full outing.

John wick does do some straight up hand to hand, but not like bourne. He has an extended fight with common in 2. But yeah, eventually a weapon comes into play.

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>Hunt is fearless and wont hesitate to go after people bigger than him

He wouldn't have a career if he hesitated to go after people bigger than him...

Ethan Hunt would have won if it hadn’t been for those meddling kids.

If it was a deathmatch, John Wick, easily. Especially if "whatever else is readily available in the room" can be used as a weapon. His combat versatility is on another level. He killed a dude with a fucking book ffs.

Between Jason Bourne and Ethan Hunt, I'd give it to Bourne. Ethan Hunt isn't really that great at hand to hand combat. His victories have largely come down to having an assist and/or being in the right place at the right time. He's otherwise fairly easily outmatched in direct combat. If this were a car chase battle though, he'd probably be in very close contention with John Wick, if not the winner.

I don't remember Wick being all that proficient with hand to hand combat. Didn't he struggled against an old man at the end of the first movie?

Now, he can kill you with a book or a fucking pencil, but with a right hook? I don't know.

Hunt is fearless and wont hesitate to go after people bigger than him, but he's had some chance luck to win a lot of his fights.

Bourne and Wick are closest in their hand to hand combat skill level and resourcefulness. Bourne used a book and Wick used a peyncil. I think Bourne would need some kind of luck tho, Wick is just absolutely cold, and his main goal is to kill, not just defend himself. Bourne sometimes is still trying to win a fight but maybe gain some information like Hunt, so he doesnt have that same drive Wick does.

Wick can take some pretty good damage too.

I'm gonna say bourne, each movie he's been proven in his hand to hand. Though him and wick can take mounds of punishment. It would be pretty gruesome if it went on long lol.

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If I know anything about protagonist matchups they would fight for long enough that each of them could have a moment where they could seem to have the advantage, then they would realize they’re all good guys and team up against bad guys without ever actually deciding who was best so that no fan bases are offended.

Wick all day every day and twice on Sunday.

Purely hand to hand? probably Bourne.

With weapons (and everything that is not part of the human body counts as a weapon)? probably Wick.

By deceiving everyone with a scooby doo mask? probably Hunt.

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TIL that Tiger King was directed by the same guy as American Movie

I read this too quickly and first thought it was going to be directed BY the tiger king? Somehow from prison?? But in rereading it, I'm excited!