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NKevros t1_jczh5rk wrote

Reply to Is it time to end RottenTomatoes? by hasanahmad

Review aggregation websites in general will provide a decent barometer of how "good " something is but there is always nuance after that. You have to use that brain of yours and not just follow the scores.

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Sakugains t1_jczh2o3 wrote

Reply to Is it time to end RottenTomatoes? by hasanahmad

I'm not sure I understand your your solution. Rotten tomatoes is social media. Obviously if you want a nuanced option you will need to read lots of different viewpoints and opinion, but that isn't really the intention of a rotten tomatoes score. There is definitely room for improvement, but I don't think the solution is removing the option of having a quick simple gauge of how well received the movie is and if you want to get a more nuanced opinion that option is still open to you.

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RyzenRaider t1_jcwpp4h wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in The new top gun has a plot that could have easily been avoided by [deleted]

I don't consider myself particularly knowledgeable. I did some googling, but some of this stuff is simple strategy. The worst possible position to be in is to have an enemy directly on your 6. You have no offense and the enemy has every advantage and a perfect position to shoot you down... Despite that, both pilots make that happen. It does give a sense of tactics in the moment though, with each pilot fighting for advantage in dynamic and interesting ways. It's just not realistic in the slightest.

Regarding the bomb run itself, time is supposedly their greatest enemy... They have to push 500-600 knots through this narrow range. Why? Fly slower, a little safer, and just launch the missiles from the carrier a little later. All that matters is that the airfield gets hit just before they bomb the facility. But flying faster is cooler, so that's what they go for.

So again, still a fun movie. But best not to think too hard about the realism :)

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RyzenRaider t1_jcwhees wrote

Reply to The new top gun has a plot that could have easily been avoided by [deleted]

Much of the actual aviation is deeply flawed. The trench run is just one aspect.

Maverick pulls up to avoid a missile in the dogfight. Airspeed and energy is king in a dogfight, so why give it all up going vertical? He fires flares (good) then splits the throttles to turn around. Possible in an F-14, but also prone to putting it into a flatspin, which is what killed Goose in the first movie.

He gets behind the Su-57, but how? Why the actual fuck did the Su57 not follow Maverick, and instead flew in a straight line so that Maverick could get behind him? Not even a rookie mistake, that's grossly negligent. Maverick fires a missile, Su57 cartwheels out of the way. The plane can actually pull that maneuver, but again, energy is king in a dogfight, and he just threw it all away. It also doesn't do anything to confuse a missile, as it will still track the heat source (the plane's surfaces are still much hotter than the air, so it still has a clear signature). And Maverick makes the not-even-a-rookie mistake, flying directly straight as the Su-57 tucks in behind him. Even if Maverick was surprised - and he shouldn't have been... Russian planes have been able to pull these moves for some time now - he should at least instinctively know to change direction just to avoid the enemy getting right behind him. In fact, if there was ever a good time to fly straight up, that would have been it... The Su-57 would have been so slow, it would have struggled to gain altitude to pursue, and so Mav has time to reposition and re-engage.

Su-57 can't get a lock on the F-14 in the canyon because of the terrain, but Maverick can immediately lock on the Su-57, which has some stealth capability? Okey dokey. And so on, and so on...

There is SO much to pick apart in the movie about the way flying and combat are depicted. Throughout the training, all the way to the final dogfight.

But despite all that, it's still a kick ass, adrenaline-fueled ride. And that's all the filmmakers are asking you to accept.

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ballyhire t1_jcwgrab wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in The new top gun has a plot that could have easily been avoided by [deleted]

Yes. My point is that there are different types of movies.

Maverick was made to be a popcorn flick where you have fun and don't need to think about it

Tenet was made in purpose to make u think and try to analyse the screenplay and figure out what's going on.

It's like comparing Indiana Jones against the original blade runner.

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