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NoHandBananaNo t1_ja5aniw wrote

Ok I'll be your Huckleberry. I can play this game.

Why not argue it's not just about cultural appropriation its about cultural violence akin to colonisation and invasion.

He doesn't think he can do it BETTER. He just wants to do it because he was bored and suffering burnout.

"And I, Jack, the Pumpkin King, Have grown so tired of the same old thing"

Then he "discovers" Christmas town and makes a whole lot of Anthropological observations about the inhabitants "theyre hanging mistletoe. They kiss. Why that looks so unique."

"I want it for my own" he concludes, showing the avarice of the coloniser.

Then he goes and manufactures consent by telling Halloween town a bunch of lies about Christmas town. He has the king of Christmas kidnapped on the pretext that he is villainous "when he sets out to slay with his rain gear on .... and they call him Sandy Claws" and lets not forget his henchkids also traumatise the Easter Bunny.

This kind of hints at colonial violence and avarice. "It's OURS this time" they sing. But the real invasion happens on earth when everyone's christmas gets invaded by scary violent halloween creatures who terrorise the locals, attempting to force Halloween town cultural norms on them.

The sirens and searchlights the town uses to defend themselves from Jack are a reference to western countries being attacked during the WW2 Blitz. Arguably Jacks mistake is the same as Hitlers, by invading western nations instead of colonising (Africa in Hitlers case, Christmas Town itself in Jacks case) he meets more resistance and overstretches.

However Jack makes amends by pinning his crimes on his outsourced labour, Oogie Boogie the "Boogey man" whose name as an imaginary figure people blame stuff on is a clear reference to the scapegoating process. Notably Oogie Boogie is voiced by Ken Page who has a recognisably Black voice. Jack punishes the Boogey man and reinstates the Christmas Town leader. The film glosses over the harm of colonisation by showing everything getting fixed quickly.

Jack thus profits from his attempted coup and invasion by being reinvigorated and having his own culture enriched by his violent cultural borrowings. "and I Jack the Pumpkin King.. .thats right, I AM the pumpkin king. And I just cant wait until next Halloween cos Ive got some new ideas that will really make them scream!"

Tldr for anyone who doesnt realise this is satire: when you have a hammer anything can be a nail lol 🤣

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Volcano_Tequila t1_ja5aaqh wrote

You know, you dug up a movie factoid I have never heard, about the movie uniquely sweeping every major award, so thank you for that.

But the other "factoid" of some people hating the movie? No. Some people hating the subject matter, or fringe Holocaust deniers, that I can believe, but hating the movie? There's no there there.

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RyzenRaider t1_ja5a01k wrote

You didn't miss something about the trailer, the trailer missed something about the movie. The film isn't an action comedy. It's a great, dark comedy drama.

I was also disappointed by the movie on first viewing because I was expecting an action comedy, but revisiting it years later with no incorrect expectations allowed me to appreciate the movie for what it actually is, and not for what it was marketed as.

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UWhatMate t1_ja58nh2 wrote

Beauty and the Beast? I think Belle tries to hide the truth about the place to protect beast?

Titanic- the captain spends a short time hiding the truth to maintain order

Life Is Beautiful- father hides the realities of the death camp from his son and pretends it’s a game

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SteelyDabs t1_ja58cmn wrote

How has no one said BATMAN FOREVER??? That movie was big but the soundtrack may have even been bigger. When I was a kid that was my first exposure to U2 so it was a while before I realized they suck dogshit because that song is actually good. I got it for an unreleased Offspring song but ended up learning about hip hop in the process thanks to Method Man. And this is all without mentioning the Seal song. You don’t have to drunkenly sing it to your cat to know that’s an all-time banger.

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Typical_Humanoid t1_ja57uj6 wrote

I enjoyed it too and being an idealist I responded well to your ideas, I just don't want to force how I agree things should be with what people perceive is the fairer course. I notice something like overcorrection in society constantly though....I may be a self-proclaimed feminist but this has people thinking I have opinions I don't have about how we should repair ties with each other.

Take care. :D

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FloridaFlamingoGirl t1_ja576zt wrote

The TV show Pushing Daisies might fit your bill. The protagonist has to lie about taking/preserving lives often, due to the fact that he has a magical power to wake the dead at the cost of another life. The protagonist magically brings his deceased girlfriend back from the dead, but takes another life in the process, and must lie to hide this secret. Furthermore, the girl must adopt a secret identity and prevent her parental figures from knowing that she has been resurrected.

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Typical_Humanoid t1_ja5758c wrote

The thing is, I do get the impulse to think so.

I used to think adaptations would invariably be better the more they listened to the author but I realized the more movies I watched the ways movies are different from books A, exist, and B, aren't lesser. And authors don't always know these things and think everything they did can and will translate and will unreasonably hate the movies if they don't. I do still think they should have a say, just not the say, which informs my confidence in Death of the Author as a concept as well.

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