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DarshJalan t1_j0rtg9x wrote
Reply to comment by Re-Horakhty01 in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
The paper you linked argues that the inscription found in Crete can probably be an indo Aryan language. Doesn't mean that it wasn't the other way around. Also one of the major issues with Indian archeology is that ancient Indians didn't really keep a lot of records and most of the records were passed orally rather than in any written form
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TheNotSoGrim t1_j0rrg2u wrote
Reply to comment by PckMan in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
Further proof that if you make something really cool people will adopt it anywhere. True for even thousands of years ago I guess.
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Re-Horakhty01 t1_j0rmwlr wrote
Reply to comment by DarshJalan in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
Well, linguistically the Indian subcontinent is only home to a single branch of the wider Indo-European language family, the Indo-Aryan branch, and you'd expect that the originating region for the wider family to be home to multiple branches. Plus you have the inter-relation of Greek and Indo-Aryan language evidenced here: https://hasp.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/journals/ejvs/article/view/19770
Of coutse the southern Dravidian language and cultural groups are distinct from the northern groups, but it seems likely that some form of migration by cousins to the Hittites, Slavs, Celts and so on did occur very anciently.
Kered13 t1_j0rmeke wrote
Reply to comment by Elegant-Road in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
Archaeological and linguistic evidence points overwhelmingly elsewhere. The prevailing hypothesis on the origin of Indo-European languages is the Kurgan Hypothesis. It suggests an origin in the Pontic steppe among a migratory people, who then spread westward into Europe and east and then south into Persia and India.
ChocoboRaider t1_j0rjpvw wrote
Reply to comment by Relevant_Monstrosity in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
I’m not sure I understand the concept of a ‘right’ to influence. I don’t think it’s really avoidable. If you live in a world where conquest/raiding is the norm even in far flung places, influence is inevitable. Some of it might be from peacefully trading goods, or sharing stories, but more will come from plunder being taken back to one homeland or another. And all of these are unavoidable.
By virtue of being part of culture A, any time one spends in a medium of culture B will necessitate enculturation in both directions.
The language of ‘right to’ implies a different decision could have been made at all.
Considering that much of this came about in spaces formed by conquest tells us that harm was undeniably a factor.
Isn’t this just how culture/thought develops? Apart from an isolationist model, isn’t it a given that being in contact with other cultures and religions will give rise to cross-contamination?
As for whether respect was present or not, I have no idea. I’d think it would be hard to say, but if anyone has sources that shed light onto this I’m interested.
Thumperings OP t1_j0rjeok wrote
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I found the history of young Nazi's partaking in encouraged duels; and intentionally slashing their faces and enhancing the gruesome scars quite interesting.
The Mensur scar became known as a ‘Duelling Scar’, or in later years the ‘Nazi Duelling Scar’, and it became a fashion trend amongst upper class German men. They would often pack the scar with horse hair to make the scar much more gruesome.
DarshJalan t1_j0rjdbb wrote
Reply to comment by Re-Horakhty01 in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
Can you give me the source of those evidence.
Re-Horakhty01 t1_j0ridz8 wrote
Reply to comment by Elegant-Road in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
Weh hsve archeological evidence pointing it to being the other way around, and linguistic evidence backs this - the northern Indian languages shares descent but not the southern Dravidian language group for example. Plus we can see the evidence of the linguistic and cultural drift from the common source up in the steppe rather than a spread from India west.
Isabella1293 OP t1_j0rhp9y wrote
Reply to comment by SatanakanataS in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
That also sounds really interesting and I'd love to read more into it
Boeing-B-47stratojet t1_j0rhnd3 wrote
What is your favorite obscure event in history, mine would be the Baxter rebellion
Elegant-Road t1_j0rgk7w wrote
Reply to comment by lax_incense in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
Curious, why couldn't have Sanskrit been the influence on Latin, Persian etc ?
Could the Indo-Europeans be native to India who migrated west and took their ideas there?
ErwinFurwinPurrwin t1_j0rcd18 wrote
Reply to Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
My M.A. thesis was on this topic. I was initially enthusiastic about the exciting prospect that Pyrrho "reinvented" Buddhism in Ancient Greece (ref. Kuzminsky), but the empirical evidence simply isn't there yet. The scepticism propounded by Sanjaya Belathiputta (sp?) seems like a better match at present, though I'm looking forward to future scholarship on the topic
PfizerGuyzer t1_j0rbs00 wrote
Reply to comment by TurkeyDinner547 in Ancient Grammatical Puzzle That Has Baffled Scientists for 2,500 Years Solved by Cambridge University Student by Superb_Boss289
I read the article and felt it answered all of these questions adequately. Panini was not a contemporary scholar, he was describing Sanskrit centuries ago. We knew that his machine worked, but could not follow his instructions now. (That's what the 'machine' was, a set of grammer instructions that produced perfectly correct Sanskrit words. It was a conceptual machine.)
Rishi cracked what Panini meant in his instructions, and now we have a way to construct close to perfect Sanskrit.
Virtual__Vagabond t1_j0rb4hh wrote
Reply to comment by TurkeyDinner547 in Ancient Grammatical Puzzle That Has Baffled Scientists for 2,500 Years Solved by Cambridge University Student by Superb_Boss289
I think it was implying that at the time, it was one of the great intellectual achievements as it was well known how to use it. After finding the machine over 2000 years later, the process had been lost.
ErwinFurwinPurrwin t1_j0rb3v9 wrote
Reply to comment by Cpalaklover in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
That's an awesome work. I referenced it repeatedly in my M.A. thesis, which was about the question of Buddhist influence on Pyrrho of Elis. I strongly agree that anyone interested in East-West comparative philosophy should absorb this book. Cheers
DaoScience t1_j0ra1f1 wrote
Reply to Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
"Greek Philosophers such as Pyrrho really did bring back eastern ideas to Greece and wrote extensively about Buddhism. "
What did he have to say about Buddhism?
lax_incense t1_j0r9ua7 wrote
Reply to comment by DarshJalan in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
Then how did the Indo-European languages arrive in India? How can you explain Sanskrit’s clear relationship to Latin, Greek, Persian, Hittite? The Indo-Europeans barely changed the genetic landscape of India, but they had a profound impact on the language and religion of the subcontinent.
Someguywhomakething t1_j0r9cbm wrote
Reply to comment by Quantum_Heresy in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
The bent knee in full figure reliefs or sculpture depicting Buddha or bodhisattvas.
TurkeyDinner547 t1_j0r8th4 wrote
Reply to Ancient Grammatical Puzzle That Has Baffled Scientists for 2,500 Years Solved by Cambridge University Student by Superb_Boss289
Cool article, but too bad it doesn't go into more detail about this "rule" and how it works exactly. And what is this thing we're talking about? A stone, codex, machine, or abstract ideas? If it generated so many errors and was inaccurate, then why was it previously "considered to be one of the great intellectual achievements in history" if this student had to figure it all out in 2022? The article leaves me with more questions than answers, unfortunately.
DarshJalan t1_j0r87ay wrote
Reply to comment by lax_incense in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
Yet there is no proof of Aryan people writing the Vedas.
Ser_Sweetgooch t1_j0r4hxz wrote
Reply to comment by docroberts in Greek Hinduism - any surviving legacy? by Isabella1293
AFAIK you are correct, but there’s no reason they couldn’t have influenced/respected/reinforced one another’s beliefs over the centuries as complementary philosophies. OP asked about the surviving legacy of Greek Hinduism and as a practicing stoic I thought it novel at least to throw in my 2 cents
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