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Norumbega-GameMaster t1_izxnx4z wrote

The only time medieval peasants went into direct combat was when they were in open rebellion, or when they were defending their hometowns. They would not have traveled with an organized military force as they would be more a hinderance than a help from a logistics perspective.

And the idea that life had little meaning is just not accurate.

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PDV87 t1_izxlamg wrote

Peasant levies were not exactly the norm in medieval warfare. Kings and lords all had personal armies of retainers, vassals and men-at-arms who were well-equipped professional soldiers. Depending on the time and place in question you might see the levy used to augment this force, but even then, in many cases these conscripted troops were also trained specialists - English longbowmen for example.

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pheisenberg t1_izxjbnw wrote

Medieval armies used various troop types such as armored infantry and armored cavalry, but also archers, crossbowmen, light cavalry, etc. Heavy infantry and/or heavy cavalry were the core of many armies for centuries, but only rich armies could afford that, such as Greek cities, Rome, or late medieval kingdoms.

Armor was well designed and fitted, and soldiers were used to it, so they could be quite mobile. Compare football receivers and linemen: the big guys can keep up OK over a short distance, it’s long runs where they have less endurance. Armor could be a disadvantage in very warm weather or on swampy ground, but otherwise it worked quite well. One reason pikes became common was that they needed a big two-handed weapon to get through the armor.

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Snoo-81723 t1_izxddi5 wrote

both sides uses probably same weapons and aromours . Teutonics must adapt to fight in Samogitia forests and using lightly armors and shorter pikes . Lithuanian and russian forces were using that same. Polish knights were armed in western way. As for mass production Teutonic have big manufacture were produce weapons on big scale - in Malborg castle were over 100000 crossbow tip in stock.

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Regulai t1_izxd20x wrote

First we are talking about a particular time period and secondly...

no... just no.

Yes in many other historical periods or regions levying pesants and slaves was common, however there are few if any accounts of them being used as some kind of suicide softening force....

They might have been used as skirmishers to throw javelins/rocks but wouldn't be expected to fight in close combat...

The closest parables might be the Turks who would use a defense in depth strategy however the slave soldiers were there elites not the sacrifices, or the pre-marian Romans who had there youngest in the first row, but these were middleclass children not poor. The poor wern't even allowed to join the army.

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pgm123 t1_izxbzmx wrote

Apologies. I stand corrected. I shouldn't try to do things off the top of my head before coffee.

The Greeks/Macedonian Greeks really weren't creative with names, were they? All the Philadelphias and Alexandrias make things confusing. It's a shame it couldn't have kept its name into the early modern period. I would be curious what the Turkified version of Philadelphia would be.

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Hyphenated_Gorilla t1_izxbfy3 wrote

Peasants were used as shock troops as were slaves by pretty much every civilization, they were used to wear down the other side, life had little meaning for most of history.

It still does not in much of the world.

Overall you cannot view history from our lens, it's not realistic.

You cannot say "Well labor was cheap" skill was not so common and they simply did not have the time and the resources to do what you and many historians claim.
Moreover it belies the fact that propaganda and exaggeration served to better the Empire. "Look, they have this many fully armored men" no probably a fraction at best. Writings were also used to pump up their nobility, think of basically most of history filled with Ego's larger than life.

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Regulai t1_izxapq7 wrote

It's just one example, but it's highly universal to most depictions.

Yes it's time consuming but this is the medieval era, everything is time consuming to make and labour is cheap, and we aren't even getting to the used and handed down armor. Hides and wood would not at all have been common armour outside very specific cases (usually nomadic groups). Gambeson was worn, but by literally everyone.

For the most part peasants don't fight (outside rebellion), it's literally a big part of the whole deal with being a peasant. Foot soldiers would have mostly been part of a knight/warriors entourage (servants, yeomen and otherwise) generally of a higher "middle" class and wealth then peasants even if they aren't nobles.

And don't be so pedantic about knight durability. Obviously you can kill a knight but there is a radical difference in how easy it was once plate came into being while they are actively defending themselves. And even in earlier era's there are numerous great examples showcasing just how absurdly durable knights were; for example in many famous crusader defeats, you can find that the number of executed after battles closely lines up with total number of knights, furthermore defeat most commonly came because they literally got too exhausted to move, rather than because too many of them had died.

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ImOnlyHereCauseGME t1_izx8h3d wrote

They term “best” is obviously subjective and would depend what you’re interested in - art, historical artifacts from specific periods, etc. So not necessarily the “best” but the British Museum currently is the largest in the world with over 8 million pieces of art, history and cultural artifacts. If you take the Smithsonian Institution as a whole which has multiple museums in DC, then they would be the largest at around 155 million pieces. So if you think about which museums would likely have something for everybody then these two would likely be top of the list simply from sheer size and range of the collections.

My personal favorite museum is the Pergamon Museum in Berlin, but I have yet to visit the British Museum myself.

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Hyphenated_Gorilla t1_izx44j2 wrote

The Tapestry are as much propaganda as it is history, chainmail is time consuming to make, up to a YEAR for a single suit. Hides, padded armor, wooden and even layered clothing were the most common.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw2UDtU2SgM

I had to respond to your nonsense about Knights being impossible to kill as well, Maces/Morning stars changed that game immensely while ropes wold be used as well. Yes you have decent mobility however it's still limited. Yes I've fought in it.

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