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Few_Scallion_2744 t1_j3lamtu wrote
I believe the ancient romans had their ruling administration divided into different components and with budgets too - obviously the names would be different than now but the general concept is more or less the same,
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Reply to comment by Throwawayeieudud in When did government departments and government budgets become invented? by megamindwriter
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Chlodio t1_j3l9juh wrote
Reply to comment by War_Hymn in When did government departments and government budgets become invented? by megamindwriter
I thought that strange assumption as well.
I'm not sure what OP thinks the privy council was, but he should know that it was composed of "great officers of the crown", who were much more than advisors, as they were all in charge of their respective departments (e.g. the chancellor drafted laws, and had an army of judges under him that he would dispatch to solve issues), for all intends and purpose, they were ministers.
beaghord t1_j3l764n wrote
Diocletian anticipated these before the medieval period
basementthought t1_j3l6cdd wrote
Reply to comment by megamindwriter in When did government departments and government budgets become invented? by megamindwriter
One interesting related fact is that most early writing is not stories or personal letters but records. We initially used writing to keep track of finances trade and laws. It took some time for people to start writing literature down
feochampas t1_j3l2vcf wrote
probably the same time writing was invented.
you dont keep track of taxes unless you intend to do something about it.
Fluffy_Town t1_j3kvgri wrote
Reply to comment by WanderingAnchorite in Earliest evidence of the use of the Mesoamerican 260-day calendar, ‘centuries earlier than its previously known use in textual records,’ revealed by the orientations of newly-uncovered ruins along Mexico’s southern Gulf Coast by marketrent
You've also got a pregnant lady whose water breaks just before birth.
bloonail t1_j3krvrk wrote
There are records of taxes, allocations and splitting up of resources from 2400BC. Its sorta the basics of writing.
reaLife00 t1_j3knxni wrote
Was everyone in western US during the 19th century super fit?
Pure_Feed5102 t1_j3knvef wrote
Reply to comment by calijnaar in Was the Weimar Republic really meant to go down? by DaslolligeLol
I agree that it was never a stable government to start with, as it was built to keep Germany weak after the treaty of Versailles. Mixed with the economic affects of the treaty that were placed on Germany and the global economic depression that came years later, it was doomed to fail. Inflation was so insane that kids would play with German marks and build stacks of them into pyramids! All of that along with a populous feeling humiliated and angry after WWI, the only thing that would have made it easier for the nazis would be simply offering them the reigns of the government.
Yes, the nazis weren’t popular at first, but to ordinary Germans, they seemed to have ideas to fix their broken world. They were the classic snake oil salesman, because what they offered seemed to fix everything, but in reality, they were only going to cater to the people they liked (which was a small portion of the population). The Weimar Republic, to a German at the time, was out of touch and doing nothing to help them.
So while it wasn’t necessarily set up to fail, it never had a chance. Similar to the Duma in post-Tsar Russia before Lenin.
4x4is16Legs t1_j3knomm wrote
Reply to comment by WyrdHarper in Earliest evidence of the use of the Mesoamerican 260-day calendar, ‘centuries earlier than its previously known use in textual records,’ revealed by the orientations of newly-uncovered ruins along Mexico’s southern Gulf Coast by marketrent
The Vatican is evil in so many ways. SO MANY.
4x4is16Legs t1_j3kmsdp wrote
Reply to comment by WanderingAnchorite in Earliest evidence of the use of the Mesoamerican 260-day calendar, ‘centuries earlier than its previously known use in textual records,’ revealed by the orientations of newly-uncovered ruins along Mexico’s southern Gulf Coast by marketrent
Thoughtful and interesting for Zero research. You’re very brilliant. I hope it’s all accurate and you get everything you need in life 😍
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InspectorRound8920 t1_j3khnmk wrote
Reply to comment by megamindwriter in When did government departments and government budgets become invented? by megamindwriter
I'll bet they've always been around, but that's the stuff that isn't written about.
I guess it depends on the area in question though
KindAwareness3073 t1_j3kccqi wrote
Reply to comment by I-Make-Maps91 in Earliest evidence of the use of the Mesoamerican 260-day calendar, ‘centuries earlier than its previously known use in textual records,’ revealed by the orientations of newly-uncovered ruins along Mexico’s southern Gulf Coast by marketrent
Having been in that rain forest I have literslly stood on top of some recent discoveries and never saw them. I can't wait to see what we learn in the coming years, not just about monumental structures, but more importantly about the agriculture, water management, and lives of the people.
I-Make-Maps91 t1_j3kbmmm wrote
Reply to comment by KindAwareness3073 in Earliest evidence of the use of the Mesoamerican 260-day calendar, ‘centuries earlier than its previously known use in textual records,’ revealed by the orientations of newly-uncovered ruins along Mexico’s southern Gulf Coast by marketrent
It's easy to underestimate just how ground breaking it is to have high resolution aerial imagery for the entire world. And not only one set, but a constantly updating set across multiple bandwidths that can be customized to your exact needs. There's discoveries that we'll find years from now and we'll go back into the old archives and find it, but who was ever going to randomly stumble into that specific section of endless rainforest?
Peter_deT t1_j3jwj25 wrote
Departments and state finance have been around a long time. Budgets much less so. Medieval governments did not have budgets - they had expenses and revenue and tried to keep the two in line with borrowings and irregular taxes (there were also regular taxes). Probably only England had a high degree of central accounting from around 1000 CE. Others had royal personal revenues, dues from subordinate units, a crown domain, revenues raised by administrative units directly (the director of the mint takes a cut as his pay or similar - very common up to the 18th century), often spread across multiple jurisdictions with different tax structures. So a ruler struggled to get a consolidated picture of revenue and expenses, and most did not bother. It was only from the late many European C18 states started to copy Britain and Prussia and have annual budgets.
drea2 t1_j3jossi wrote
How did the British conquer most of the world without sunscreen?
Throwawayeieudud t1_j3jlnoj wrote
i’m not a history expert or anything but from these comments it sounds like you may be assuming that because Medieval Europe lacked government departments, all of history up to that point did too
Party_Broccoli_702 t1_j3jiii2 wrote
I believe there is plenty of evidence of rulers delegating tasks, giving individuals specific titles, and managing finances since the beginning of history.
Certainly in ancient Rome, Persia, Greece, China and Egypt just to name a few.
WanderingAnchorite t1_j3jgjwd wrote
Reply to comment by tyco_brahe in Earliest evidence of the use of the Mesoamerican 260-day calendar, ‘centuries earlier than its previously known use in textual records,’ revealed by the orientations of newly-uncovered ruins along Mexico’s southern Gulf Coast by marketrent
That's an excellent hypothesis.
megamindwriter OP t1_j3j8k7z wrote
Reply to comment by electr0o84 in When did government departments and government budgets become invented? by megamindwriter
Thanks.
megamindwriter OP t1_j3j8hmn wrote
Reply to comment by War_Hymn in When did government departments and government budgets become invented? by megamindwriter
Yes, I did have misconceptions. Thanks for the answer.
megamindwriter OP t1_j3j8crg wrote
Reply to comment by Bentresh in When did government departments and government budgets become invented? by megamindwriter
Thank you.
WanderingAnchorite t1_j3lb3co wrote
Reply to comment by Fluffy_Town in Earliest evidence of the use of the Mesoamerican 260-day calendar, ‘centuries earlier than its previously known use in textual records,’ revealed by the orientations of newly-uncovered ruins along Mexico’s southern Gulf Coast by marketrent
That's also true!
I think a lot of this stuff makes the origins of religions much more understandable.
You see people try to justify the historical reality of "the great flood" by saying how every culture on Earth has a story about an ancient great flood.
Almost like maybe there was no massive flood and we were all just surrounded by the same basic conditions, leading us to similar conclusions.
It's like how every culture independently creates some form of flatbread: that doesn't make the bread divine (though, historically, many people associate bread and the divine - Yahweh rained bread down from Heaven, etc.).
Or how the universe was created by Hera, spilling her breastmilk, creating the stars in the sky: that's why we call The Milky Way...The Milky Way.
The Chinese actually call it "The Silver River," to this day, because they didn't have the same origin story for it.
OK, I gotta' stop...I'd be the worst history teacher...I'd be the guy that kids are like "Just ask any question, then let him go..." hahaha