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manic7impressive_ t1_j1unpnv wrote

Ireland is still part of the EU, but the UK left the EU almost three years ago. So the Scots, Welsh, some Irish (Northern Ireland), Cornish, and even the English today, who are still genetic Brits at least predating Roman arrival, much more than they are Germanic, do not count as a default

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tevors t1_j1ui46m wrote

Reply to comment by Tiako in Death of Vercingetorix by oga_ogbeni

I don't remember were i read or saw it, but i remember being said that Roman Empire had a lot of politics destined to incorporate the conquered nations into the empire, not just by force, making the conquered nations actually fight for the empire just as much as anyone else, and was not by force or threat, as i recall they didn't go killing everyone that said no to them.

Movies tend to be very nonchalant about that facet of history, people tend to like war, deaths and plot, not actual facts.

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AlpsTraining7841 t1_j1ueup5 wrote

The concept of "indigenous" in Europe is a bit odd. Neanderthals are the most indigenous. They were in Europe first. Then came anatomically modern humans who had black hair and black skin. These people don't exist anymore.

Unfortunately, I think when people say the Sami are "indigenous" they mean that the Norwegians, Swedish, and Finns colonized and oppressed them.

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DontWakeTheInsomniac t1_j1u952n wrote

I don't know how Karelians in Finland view themselves but please bear in mind that if Karelians are indigenous then ethnic Finns & Estonians could be considered indigenous too since they are broadly part of the same ethnic group. They all speak a closely related language, share mythology and folklore.

To answer your question, most Karelians live in Russia which is outside the EU. It also appears that Karelians have a Finnish identity - even in Russia they are taught Finnish in schools. https://minorityrights.org/minorities/karelians/

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throwawaybreaks t1_j1u02wt wrote

There are a few populations that are significantly pre-indo-european, there are some non-indo european groups who arrived around the same times. It's kinda hard to discuss "indigenous groups" in europe though since its basically a huge melting pot genetically, the phoenecians were probably in ireland before the celts got there, and its generally difficult to tie language/material culture/descent group to each other in areas where DNA wasnt well preserved before writing systems developed.

But yes, in some ways the sámi are essentially an indigenous people, insofar as any bipedal ape expansion wave can be considered non-african, especially from the perspective of modern Europeans who are overwhelmingly of Indo-European lineages and cultures.

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ffandyy t1_j1ttg5t wrote

Reply to comment by otclogic in Death of Vercingetorix by oga_ogbeni

I also wonder if Caesar allowed Vercingetorix to live he might have ended up letting go of some stories that might have conflicted with Caesar’s personal accounts of how the campaign played out.

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