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JGrizz0011 t1_j1sjtsm wrote

Reply to comment by oga_ogbeni in Death of Vercingetorix by oga_ogbeni

Also the Hardcore History podcast (Dan Carlin) and the Celtic Holocaust episode. His prolog of not "what would you be willing to die for" but "what would you be willing to fight for if it meant risking not only your life but also your wife, children, and culture" gives me chills everytime I listen to it.

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LisaToreMeApart t1_j1sj5ay wrote

Reply to comment by DeadFyre in Death of Vercingetorix by oga_ogbeni

The Gauls during the Late Republic truly frightened the Romans. Partly why Gaius Marius was named the First Man of Rome was because he repelled a very existential threat to Rome (Cimbrian War)

No wonder that only a generation or two later, Caesar felt it was necessary to kill Vercingetorix—to let him live was to show weakness against a very strong enemy

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finndego t1_j1sisnj wrote

Reply to comment by emcdunna in Death of Vercingetorix by oga_ogbeni

He was held for 5 years and then strangled in his cell. That's a very low key manner to gain more popularity. Caesar for sure would have made more of a spectacle if that was the case.

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DarthDregan t1_j1shuh8 wrote

Caesar knew the value of drama. Which is a bigger impact on the common people: parading a guy around for a few hours then giving him a house to chill in for the rest of his life, or killing him in front of the citizens who were told stories about his tenacity for years?

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E-Scooter-Hoodlum t1_j1sghox wrote

Waldensian-Christians in the medieval period were accused by propaganda of commiting sodomy with a demon in the shape of a cat and that they had to commit the Osculum infame by kissing the ass of said cat-demon.

It was also common in medieval Germany to belief that the german word for heretic "Ketzer" had it's origin in the german word for cat "Katze" and was refering to people who did similar things with cats as the Waldensians were accused of. In truth the word "Ketzer" goes back to an italien word for the followers of Catharism, but that wasn't widely known at the time and so many allegories were made of heretics and cats.

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criket2016 t1_j1seexx wrote

Just gonna go ahead and insert a plug for the Historia Civilis YouTube channel. There are videos dedicated to how Vercingetorix was defeated by Caesar, Caesars triumphs, and Roman triumphs in general (and lots more!). Outstanding channel and videos.

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otclogic t1_j1scbk6 wrote

Ceasar’s first Triumph was the Gallic campaign. The calculation of whether to spare Vercingetorix or not was probably having something to do with that fact. Also remember that in Ceasar’s dispatches to Rome Vercingetorix was portrayed as his nemesis of sorts. Killing him sent a different message within that context.

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Ka3ket t1_j1scay9 wrote

Requesting recommendation for a book about Napoleon Bonaparte’s Egypt’s campaign and how the Egyptians were shocked into discovering the huge development gap between Europeans and Egyptians

My understanding is that Napoleon’s campaign in Egypt had deep impact on the elite in the Middle East and shocked Arabs into becoming aware of the exponential gap between them and Europeans. For example, the Egyptian army used sticks and knives and old techniques from the Middle Ages that no more match the highly equipped French army. The battle was almost like a caricature and was trivially won by the French.

This loss and this encounter had a huge impact on the Egyptian/Arab psyche and illustrated how quickly and largely Europeans have advanced and how huge the gap that separates them from Arabs. Few decades later, Mohamad Ali demonstrated this awareness and sent lots of people to Europe to learn from Europeans and created lots of initiatives to modernize Egypt.

Do you have a recommendation of good resource/books on this encounter and especially how it impacted the invaded Egyptians?

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DeadFyre t1_j1sabnq wrote

It's also my understanding that the Gauls had been particularly treacherous, with many erstwhile Gallic allies to the Romans luring the Romans in by asking for protective garrisons and then murdering them.

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Mischief_Makers t1_j1s9les wrote

> The name of another, perhaps a Gallic chieftain who fought Rome, escapes me, but he too retired to the Italian countryside after I believe giving a speech on the Senate floor

Caratacus, who took up the reign when Togodumnus was killed. He was sentenced to death and basically told the senate "I had it all, is it any wonder I fought to keep it. And If I hadn't fought so hard, you wouldn't have as much glory in my defeat. Kill me now and I will be just another fallen to Rome that time will soon forget, but let me live and I will forever be a symbol of your mercy";

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>If the degree of my nobility and fortune had been matched by moderation in success, I would have come to this City as a friend rather than a captive, nor would you have disdained to receive with a treaty of peace one sprung from brilliant ancestors and commanding a great many nations. But my present lot, disfiguring as it is for me, is magnificent for you. I had horses, men, arms, and wealth: what wonder if I was unwilling to lose them? If you wish to command everyone, does it really follow that everyone should accept your slavery? If I were now being handed over as one who had surrendered immediately, neither my fortune nor your glory would have achieved brilliance. It is also true that in my case any reprisal will be followed by oblivion. On the other hand, if you preserve me safe and sound, I shall be an eternal example of your clemency.

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