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Reply to comment by ThePrussianGrippe in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
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jubru t1_j16yaug wrote
Reply to comment by BonnieJeanneTonks in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
Sorry yeah you're correct, I meant the highway, there's a stop light on the highway.
Annomaander_Rake t1_j16sqr4 wrote
Reply to comment by torgoboi in How do countries that lack long, ancient histories and myths (or feel they lack it), or have lost all records of them, compensate for this loss or absence? Can these invented ancient myths become as "legitimate" as the truly old histories/myths of countries that have them? by raori921
I think you’re essentially correct. Being that we are a mongrel nation that has no clear ancestry beyond the 1600s, our long term mythology has to be borrow from the old world. I’m sure there are villiges in Romania with stories that go back millennia. Since people have been living there so damn long lol
Annomaander_Rake t1_j16s7z6 wrote
Reply to comment by TreeMcBean in How do countries that lack long, ancient histories and myths (or feel they lack it), or have lost all records of them, compensate for this loss or absence? Can these invented ancient myths become as "legitimate" as the truly old histories/myths of countries that have them? by raori921
With how impactful and influential Tolkiens work has become, I bet middle earth will end up having a greater impact on society in the long run, than the impact Shakespeare has had over the last 300 years or so. I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s a far fetched guess. Tolkiens influence will continue to expand again and again with every subsequent generation of storytellers that draws on Tolkien’s influence.
CassandraVindicated t1_j16ry12 wrote
Reply to comment by pug_subterfuge in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
Yeah, in the book they described it as quite a challenge and apparently it took more time than they wanted to spend. Thanks for the info.
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Annomaander_Rake t1_j16rpus wrote
Reply to comment by assholetoall in Hurricanes Reveal 19th-Century Shipwreck Hidden Beneath Florida Beach by That-Situation-4262
We live in a world of technology worship, as I’m sure you know better than I do, being that you are part of IT. So whenever a problem can be solved by something hi tech, I think everyone collectively gets a hard on. Especially news outlets. They love reporting about a hi tech solution to something that could have been solved the old fashioned way.
bcsimms04 t1_j16rknb wrote
Reply to comment by OHoSPARTACUS in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
Up in Colorado it is. But in the last few hundred miles in Arizona past the grand canyon it is a normal lazy flowing river
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamboats_of_the_Colorado_River?wprov=sfla1
Annomaander_Rake t1_j16r81a wrote
Reply to comment by Future_Huckleberry71 in "Imperialism" Before ~16th century? by ImperatorScientia
Good point. I think it’s easy for people to forget that ancient empires also count as imperialists. The Roman’s were probably better at expansion than most other imperialist empires of the more modern times, because the Roman’s were all about assimilation and bringing stability to the regions they conquered (which is very arguable of course, but still). Whereas more modern imperial regimes tended to be parasites that only ever took from the countries they preyed upon.
pug_subterfuge t1_j16qtn3 wrote
Reply to comment by CassandraVindicated in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
Great Falls is roughly the location in Montana they had to portage around. They got extra screwed as that area is mostly cottonwood trees which aren’t very useful for portaging.
bag-o-tricks t1_j16orj1 wrote
Reply to When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
Albany, Oregon used to have a similar bridge but it was made from wood. One of the spans would pivot 90 degrees so river boats could navigate by it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36241830@N06/4277720122/in/photostream/
Chlodio t1_j16oixd wrote
Reply to What did medieval (European or African) military campaigns look like? by ThingPuzzleheaded472
After reading multiple books on medieval warfare it would be overambitious to give any level of summary considering that the practice of warfare changed from century to region and from region to region, for instance, the Irish denied Anglo-Normans from pitch battles, preferring forest ambushes, making the conquest of Ireland slow and painful. In contrast to warfare in France where you would immediately meet a field army.
Status-Meaning8896 t1_j16lbvn wrote
Reply to comment by Intruding1 in What did medieval (European or African) military campaigns look like? by ThingPuzzleheaded472
I appreciate you taking the time to dispense what knowledge you have! Excellent information dump.
BonnieJeanneTonks t1_j16klq9 wrote
Reply to comment by jubru in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
There is no interstate near Fort Benton. US Highway 87 is the closest main highway.
PontiniY t1_j16f7sw wrote
Reply to comment by KarmaticIrony in Why didn't the US adopt the STG-44 after WW2? by TurboTortois3
I wasn't there, but I reckon the STG-44 was used extensively in full-auto mode for both covering fire and clearing rooms.
CassandraVindicated t1_j16ca74 wrote
Reply to comment by digit4lmind in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
Reading the Journals of Lewis and Clark, they apparently were able to navigate the Missouri up until a large waterfall that they had to portage around. Anyone familiar with that stretch of the Missouri would probably be able to name it.
ThingPuzzleheaded472 OP t1_j16ay1p wrote
Reply to comment by Intruding1 in What did medieval (European or African) military campaigns look like? by ThingPuzzleheaded472
Thank you!
Future_Huckleberry71 t1_j165nv1 wrote
Reply to What did medieval (European or African) military campaigns look like? by ThingPuzzleheaded472
1100-1300 covers most of the Crusades and the Mongol invasions of Europe.Local wars in Europe were not usually large but the Crusades were multi year affairs involving large armies, sieges and fleets. Large local conflicts could not be paid for by pillaging and looting small neighbors. Islamic armies of the period fielded similar large forces, many of African origin.
Althesian t1_j163wxo wrote
Reply to What did medieval (European or African) military campaigns look like? by ThingPuzzleheaded472
Not really familiar with the middle ages in terms of campaigns, but I have some familiarity with ancient warfare.
Sieges in general tended to be very costly during warfare and a time wasting avenue. Depending on how well fortified a settlement or a fortress can be, you could take months or even years and a siege would mostly end up just standing around a city waiting for something to happen. Even worse if that city is close to the coast and can be supplied by sea.
Imagine if there were at least 20-30 forts or even more well fortified cities, there were a lot of fortresses and cities you have to pass in order to advance deeper into enemy territory. Usually it isn’t recommended to leave enemy fortresses and cities behind the army as that will expose them to harassment from the sides or rear. Small skirmishes that slowly chip away an army’s ability to fight. Any foraging party would be ambushed and destroyed in small skirmishes. A couple hundred or thousand depending on the scenario.
You are mostly correct in saying that pitch battles don’t tend to happen a lot. Though I think that people have this misconception of pitch battles being too scarce.
For one, we’re relying on written sources most of the time in order to determine how much pitch battles were conducted. This means that we usually don’t get a clear picture as to how many times it really happens. Or how many that actually did happen occur. Some time periods remain obscure and have lack of written sources that clearly portray events accurately. Some sources go so far as to “mention” a battle but glossed over such events.
The late roman period have huge amount of sources in the 4th century, but the 5th century has
very few written records to depict this period. We have a general idea of what happened during this period of strife and unrest but times can be quite chaotic that there just aren’t that many written records. Archeological record is even harder to find. Some findings by historians in Europe tend to be in a different language. Roman artifacts can be found in many places in Europe. Not all of them are translated however and its usually time consuming to translate those works. There is also political quagmire to get those works and publish them.
That said pitch battles happens under specific circumstances. The enemy has a huge force and you need to overwhelm them while morale among your soldiers are high in order to capitalize on the fact that the enemy is grouped up together tightly and engage while they are all in one place instead of spread out over a large area in small parties.
For instance, we can use Julian’s campaign in gaul mentioned by Ammianus Marcellinus in the 4th century. The germanic tribe confederations of the Alemmani and Marcommani and several other confederations of combined tribes attacked Roman Gaul and completely overwhelmed the entire province. Sacking various cities and settlements. Some reaching quite close to Italy.
The breached frontier needed to be reclaimed. Gaul served as the primary recruitment drive of most of the Western Roman army since its administrative split with the east. The second one comprised of regions of Hispania and Iberia.
Germanic confederations of multiple tribes demonstrated that many of them were becoming much too strong and were getting more aggressive against Roman frontiers ever since the late 2nd century.
Julian’s move against the Germanic tribes is to capture back the region and bring it back under Roman control. Various minor battles were already occurring between Roman troops and germanic soldiers.
Julian led by example. A typical bookworm that was considered a decent Caesar by Constantius II to govern the west at the time. Constantius was a bit of a paranoid men and had murdered much of his family in a bitter power struggle to get the throne. He became Augustus of the the entire empire but allowed some degree of autonomy to Julian considering that he wasn’t much of a threat to Julian at the time.
Julian studied history and battle tactics of previous emperors and led successful campaigns against the germans using tactics of his predecessors. Influenced by the likes of Alexander III he inspired his troops but was hamstrung by internal corrupt bureaucracy. Several officers were suspected to be sent by Constantius to keep watch over the young Caesar. Several of them led their troops back to Mediolanum to their winter quarters and abandoned the campaign leaving Julian with a meager force of around 15,000 men.
King Chnodomar the leader of the germanic tribes sought to wipe out Julian’s force now that it had reduced to a smaller force. His forces supposedly numbered 30,000. He summoned back the raiding parties to group up. Julian was camped in one of the local abandoned cities and was informed of the presence of the german army nearby and wanted to avoid battle first as it was closing night time as his troops needed rest. His troops refused such an order and all clamored to engage Chnodomar arguing that now the enemy were all grouped up together, they could defeat them in one fell swoop ending the campaign while their morale were high. Julian’s officers also encouraged Julian to engage. Julian decisively defeated the germans at Strasbourg in 357 AD.
Several more conditions are needed to engage in a pitch battle. Accident. Sometimes both armies accidentally engaged one another. For example, foraging parties of both side engage in a minor battle by accident due to thick fog and huge ridge lines. They then send parties back to both camps respectively to inform their generals that they need help. Both generals send more and more to reinforce and then quickly form up both armies to engage. Such an event happened during the battle of Pydna between the Roman republic and the Macedonic kingdom.
Or sometimes the enemy are just too large in force and you need to destroy them before they became too huge. If a general avoids battle he can be seen as a coward from his troops and can be potentially assassinated for cowardice. Many soldiers defend their own frontier towns and had settled families in the region. To avoid battle is to put their families at risk. Large scale mutinies among troops who felt their families were ignored can be very dangerous. Indeed generals can be forced to fight in a pitch battles by their own troops. Local politics also play a part.
If the people are angered by the lack of governmental efforts to destroy the invaders destroying the countryside, they could rebel against their rulers who they saw as negligent in their duties to protect the lands from being destroyed. This is why scorched earth or delaying tactics by rulers are incredibly unpopular. Farms and towns destroyed. Food such as cattle are taken by the invaders. This can destroy a ruler’s reputation and paints him as someone who can’t protect their people. This is something the opposing army can take advantage of. This is why pitched battles can occur more quickly than what is typically portrayed. Pitched battles less commonly but are not super rare as one might think. Just not very common.
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Reply to comment by SigilumSanctum in Why didn't the US adopt the STG-44 after WW2? by TurboTortois3
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OtisTetraxReigns t1_j161zgm wrote
Reply to comment by submittedanonymously in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
You’re never too young to die broke and penniless!
Borderpatrol1987 t1_j161h5c wrote
Reply to comment by GenitalPatton in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
Welp, that's on my bucket list now.
jubru t1_j160rvd wrote
Reply to comment by rocky_tiger in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
The did add one stop light and there is one going to the interstate east out of town
jubru t1_j160mxx wrote
Reply to comment by the_cardfather in When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
I mean not much further. It terminates near three forks about a 3 hour drive south.
Thunderrunt t1_j175kqx wrote
Reply to When this bridge in Fort Benton, Montana, USA was built 1888 it was required to have a swing span to allow steamboats to navigate. It was considered the furthest navigable point on Earth, more than 2,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. by triviafrenzy
Someone describing a bridge as ‘handsome’ is certainly something I’d never thought I read haha