don't wear them if they hurt ya dingus

But it works better than xlr and 2.5 and is now widely implemented

Hate 4.4, I really do. Late comer to the party. 2.5mm and 4-pin XLR already well established.

A useless Sony-backed standard, very much like Memory Stick in the past - Why couldn't Sony just get along and support Secure Digital?!

It’s not the same, they work in tandem on APP but you can force just the Atmos on in settings for other devices

Ah that sucks; I was really loving the element 3 but if Arya is that power hungry, do you have any recommendations?

Hey there. I've finally completed my desktop setup: HifiMan Sundara, ifi Zen Dac v2 and SMSL SH8s. Not sure this is a great combination but I'm not able to search for something else.

I've been falling in love with Sundara for the last half of the year. Nevertheless my brain needs some fresh emotions, which I didn't get with HE 4xx, HD58x and Deva Pro as second alternative headphones - they are slightly worse. I'm not able to buy something from the Sennheiser 600 series and don't want especially after 58x.

This is not a very happy end game for me, but I'm done. Ready to answer the questions about that gear.

The 6XX is probably much less engaging than the Sundara lol. It's definitely not a "wow" headphone. It's maybe the most relaxed thing ever. However, if you like acoustic music and jazz and such, it's great.

Anyway. I'd focus more on the music than on the gear. That's always the best thing you can do!

You will switch everything in about a month.

I've been listening Sundara last half of the year and all that time hunted for upgrade sound from Zen Dac. To be honest I've finished this game too early. I sold DT 770 Pro in favor of Sundara's neutrality and had chance to try HE 4xx, HD 58x and Deva Pro (and compare them). Sundara is definitely better headphone but difference of price, not quality, so significant, my wallet says stop finding rabbit in the hole. So I get stuck with that gear and happy only about 80%. Maybe a second pair of headphones for example 6xx would make me feel better? I'm joking. Audiophilia is a disease.

I have the Clear, I love them! The Z1R it's something about their sound it's kind of addictive. Deciding between the ier-z1r or the mdr Z1R closed back for my sound isolated needs.

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Endgame =/= Not happy

Nice! I have been very close to buying the dt 770 before then the really nice looking dt 700 pro x came out... There's so many options but I must confess I will use them mostly with my series x so I don't think the controller can give them justice.

What do you dislike and is there anything else you've tried and for long have you been listening?

I've pretty much settled on a more or less modded HD6XX and tubes. Laid back sound is my jam. Could it maybe just be that you fear missing out on more? I feel like this is the driving force of many purchases made in the adiophile market. Always craving that little bit of more and better sound. To me, even after having heard the HD800, that stuff simply doesn't exist (yet). Heck the only thing that I want to try are ZMF headphones, but for now I am done.

Enjoy your music, that's the main thing about all of this! Have fun and if your setup is new: brain burn in is real. It might take some time to start appreciating these headphones and once it clicks you might never stop listening again.

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It depends on expectations, doesn't it?

That's my biggest fear is getting my "end game" dac/amp & not being fully satisfied. 😓

1. I found that the sound does significantly improve when plugging them using the provided cable vs. over Bluetooth (could be that I get to use my dedicated amp/dac v.s. whatever's built into the headphone?). I do think you lose the ability to have ANC with them plugged in though, so this option is best used at home.
2. I have the Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro, the Sennheiser 6xx, and the Momentum 4. Compared to the DT770, the Momentum 4 has less punch in the bass, and slightly less emphasized highs, but the M4 has warmer mids and sound overall more detailed. Compared to the 6xx, the Momentum 4 have more bass and more highs, but are less detailed, especially in the mids. Overall, I'd say, DT770 <= Momentum 4 << 6xx, but that's just my preference. I think the DT770 and Momentum 4 are pretty even when plugged in, just depends if you want more of a V shaped sound with punchier bass (DT770) or a warmer sound (Momentum 4). 6xx has detail that just far exceeds both of the others.
3. I did experience software bugs when I first got my M4. They failed to pair, would pair and then not play any sound, and there was even a time where they wouldn't turn on or respond to any button presses at all. I was able to factory reset them to fix the issues, and since the most recent firmware update they have been acting as they should with no issues. Definitely update them as soon as you get them though.

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Overall, I like the M4 when I'm on the go as they have ANC and Bluetooth. I rarely plug them in, but I think they'd make a great can if they are your only higher end headphone and you need to be on the go.

Are you happy?

I would keep my focal celestee because they sound amazing and are closed backs.

I've found that Atmos has an immersive quality and I really like some of the mixes I've listened to. I usually don't like spatial effects in audio as they often sound gimmicky and unnatural, like the aural equivalent of early 3d cinema.

You need to enable Dolby Atmos to be always on in the apple music settings.

No, this is truly what I was after. Personal experience. 👍 I agree with everything you say here. I own the Hyper x cloud Alpha and the Sennheiser hd 599. I am tempted on upgrading the closed back side of things. Although I find the Alpha more than good enough to me I like new stuff too. 😁

Well. I feel I got the answers I wanted. After some thinking I am definitely going to put the money on pure wired closed back headphones if I upgrade my Alphas. Sound quality is nr 1. I use iems when I'm out and about so I don't really need that bluetooth. But it feels kinda cool with all the features. Not gonna lie. ☺️

But re-reading my comment i realise it is still quite very negative. So let me say again that the Sennheiser Momentum are truly amazing and, to my humble opinion, far better than its equals from other brands (Sony or Bose, basically, and others) !! If you want an ANC, this one is i think the best one you could get, sound-wise ! (i think for ANC it may be Sony, but the sound isn't that good).

On the M3, the bass were perfect, you could feel the physical rumble when it hits low notes, without taking all the space and getting over the mids like the Sony's :). Its sound signature is still what i qualify as my preference, quite Neutral, with some nice quality bass.

The soundstage was very impressive for a closed headphone i found ! And i would have definitely bought the M4 if i wasn't annoyed at the charging part. And i didn't use it outside, so ANC is useless for me. This is when i realised that paying 350 euros on a wired/Non ANC headphone actually might give you an even better one if you choose wisely.

But if you're going to use it outside, then don't hesitate one sec to go for the M4 ! Personally i owned the M1, then the M2 and the M3 😂 and these ones made me become addicted to good-sounding stuff. You'll probably end up buying an audiophile headphone as well in the future after the M4 anyway haha.. It's the effect it does to you 😂