i meant apple earpods the one with wires

I have the Clear and Emu Ebony for headphones, and U12t and AirPod Pros for IEMs.

The Clear and U12t are very close but if I had to choose one it’d be the U12t. They just sound so smooth, so clean, detail on them is amazing. What they do for being IEMs still kinda blows my mind sometimes. Add to the fact that being IEMs makes them more portable, that makes them my desert island headphone.

Yes, get airpods.

These things are the best for me.

I actually don't like my waners. which is why I made this post in the first place since I wanted to get a new iem. not saying it's bad just didn't like it. being cheap is the entire point of chus and other $20 iems. by trying to feel premium you're going to have to sacrifice a lot of things such as utility and longevity.

you buy iems for the sound not the premium feel, I doubt you're gonna notice the metal build while you're wearing it. if you're gonna appreciate an iem appreciate the fact it plays audio well.

my point still stands that lan has no real identity. turning is what defines an iem at the end and lan just isn't all that special to be a real product. revising the chus still makes more sense than an entirely different product that does the same thing.

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HAHAHHAA I know I’d anger some Hifi purists 😂😂

If you like your Waner for $14 then I am happy for you. It is still a plastic build, which is fine but it's cheaper.

But if somebody really likes their Chu but wants a detachable cable...they can pay $40. Everybody's happy.

$20 for premium feel is not stupid. If you appreciate premium feel even a small amount it's worth it. If not, Waner. Once again, everyone is happy.

I could be complaining that the Lan is over twice the price of my Quarks and is heavy/ bulky/uncomfortable and sounds worse (and in fact I will when the Jiu is released) But instead I am being happy with my Quarks and if for whatever reason someone else wants the Lan then good for them.

$13 does not say anything. That is the retail price of the tips because they are a retail product. They do not cost moondrop $13.

the fact that spring tips themselves are priced at $13 says otherwise. not sure what you're trying to say by they are worth pennies to moondrop. proprietary tips that comes with majority iems as a neccesity comes to mind as a replacement tip.

I'm complaining about how the lan is literally moondrop chu with a detachable cable. some people complained about how "shouty" the chus are and this is what the lan doesn't have but other than that there's is literally nothing that separates it from the chus besides a detachable cable.

I definitely overlooked the metal build's contribution to price but the metal build is absolutely insignificant to the audio quality and only gives a premium feel at best. at $20 asking for a premium feel is a bit stupid.

my point is, the nuances between the LAN and Chus are too insignificant, lan fixes the issue chus had by being more expensive but other iems have proved it can still stay at the same price by knowing where to hold back on budget. my tangzu waners which has a detachable cable, great turning and build quality that isn't garbage is only $14

Maybe try Azla SednaEarfit Xelastec, those get soft when getting warm and deform to fit the shape of your earcanal better. With these I can even wear the bigger ones.

I use them on all my IEMs

It seems your issue with my post is that I did not acknowledge where you said:

>you can argue the spring tips themselves were worth $13

Well I read that and I ignored it because I would not argue that the spring tips are worth $13 because they are not. They are worth pennies to Moondrop. If they drop the spring tips they still have to provide some other tips and and they are not left with a product they can sell for $7 or add a detachable cable for $13 more.

I'm still not sure what you are complaining about. Lots of people said the Chu is bright. Lots of people complained about the non-detachable cable. This addresses both. Of course it's going to cost more. Salnotes has cheap plastic build quality and (to me) sounds far inferior than the Chu.

But none of this personally matters to me because I am all about the Quarks DSP. If they gave it a slight upgrade in sound and/or quality of life for double the price I'd be all over it.

This thing could sound like the inside of an empty, metal garbage can and it’d still be worth it for the knob alone

I will never downgrade from this BIG volume knob, after you tried it, you don't want to lose it

Stop wearing them, and let your ears rest until you feel like they've essentially fully recovered.
You could try other eartips such as the Spinfits or Springtips, but make sure to not "man it out" because that's just how you hurt yourself for no reason

did you not read my post at all. from my knowledge people seem to agree a lot of the value are from the spring tips, removing them definitely gives them a larger budget. if other iems can have great tuning as well as a detachable cable I don't see why the chus in particular can't. I mean they're the one who started this $20 iem deal

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I'll give those a try next time, thank you!

i can do well with my old cheap iems its just the driver size where u put the tips in is much bigger on the wan er than my old cheap iem i think thats the cause

same issue for me i can do about hour before i need to take iems off its just impossible for me to have in ears with tips.
i currently have nothing ear stick, not outstanding audio wise but dam they are the only iem i had so far that i can use for long time

Amazing unit, love mine! The custom engraving option is so awesome. Makes it feel so much more unique. Ill never get another unit.

You answered your own questions. Less treble and detachable cable. Updated tuning or not, a Chu with detachable cable would have been more expensive. They could have called it a Chu MKII or they could call it a Lan. Who cares?

On day 4 i bought springtips small size and its much more comfier but i dont know if it works for the irritation because my ears are still hurting from the stock tips. i had the springtips on for 2 days but my ears are still sore although i think its because of the stock tips

Maybe try foam or smaller size tips? I find Wan'er stock eartips are fine, but you can get something more comfortable like Radius deep mount or revised version of Final type E.

I read somewhere its normal with new iems so i gave it a week for my ears to get used to it

> I am in physical pain

> let's continue with this

OP, why?