I meant more not popular but heavily marketing products instead of quality, raycons, ridge wallet, manacaped etc AirPods aren’t sponsored by all the YouTubers streamers etc you don’t see ads for them everywhere.

Because I want to enjoy the signature sound of audio devices.

I like you didn’t mention “burn-in” bs.

You disliked some one of the best options out there bc you simply didn’t enjoy it.

What a shame. I almost bought them because of the Sean Olive Amazon review and how close they were to the Harman target.

Could unit variation be that big? or are Sean Olive measurements not that reliable? As I saw Sharur's review of the TUNE230NC that had a 78% predicted preference in Sean Olive's graph but measured very differently in Sharur's rig, more bloated bass and peaky in the treble.

Oh yeah, true. I'll make more comparisons with the other ones since my guess is these are the smoothest by my ear (with the Cadenza, which is just a touch brighter).

It's worth noting that the 8khz and 16khz peak are common artifacts of the measurement coupler. The Gras version of the coupler has damping to lower those artifacts for measurments

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That looks very strange to me. I wouldn't have thought any part of the treble goes above Harman and mostly stays 1-2dB below. I listened to many tracks that I often have treble issues with Beat by Tingvall Trio for example or Radha Kaise Na Jale by A.R. Rahman and they're easy to listen to at high volumes.

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The c50hi's are my pick for only 9 bucks, apparently some people get bad units but im 3 units in (hard user) and so far 3 hits

link or name would be cool

Looking at Amazon reviews I actually found one from Sean Olive!, the director in research and developing in the Harman target, and he found them to be exceptionally close tuned to the target and a great option for less than $20.

Didn't know you could get a passive Harman tuned IEM for less than the Truthear Zero. For that price I'll buy one just to try.

Sean Olive Amazon Review

Yes, it's just a callcenter

It’s very hipster to assume anything popular is actually bad. I think it’s probably the case that most mass manufactured stuff is bad regardless of whether it’s marketed or not—making good things is hard and expensive.

As a counterpoint, I think AirPods are actually pretty good, despite being one of the most advertised and most popular headphones in existence.

I bought these after Sean olive posted the graph of the ones he bought, but mine sounded different than what he graphed. More bloated and peaky. When I measured mine they graphed like this

https://suporsalad.squig.link/?share=Harman_IEM_Target,JBL_Endurance_Run

I wonder if there's some variation that isn't clear on the packaging or something

The Better Help therapy is trash from China?

A lot of non-hi fi audio people think the hallmark of a good system is how loud it can get. It's the same with stereos. And psychologically, louder things sound better (up to a point obviously).

And thicknesses! And types! And there is no “endgame,” you just have to keep buying the stuff to feed the crochet beast.

Headphones are a cheap hobby by comparison.

I thought so too. Buy no, the laptop is louder than my E10k on low gain. There's more details on the E10k because the percussion does not overpower the strings and vice versa as most details tend to be on treble are since I listen to music with strings a lot.

Im just confused as to which one is the real sound so I can experiment with Harman EQ and the oratory1990 presets.

Have you ever tried to remove a crochet needle from someone’s arm? You gotta push it all the way through. Just brutal. Knitting violence is much easier to deal with.

'Bankrupt' is what the man in the picture is about to be in a few years.

My wife has sensory sensitivities around anything on/over/in her ears. She can barely handle work calls, she doesn’t want to spend a single minute with headphones on she doesn’t have to.

It’s OK. We also have nice speakers and she appreciates those.

Mine took 3 weeks to reach the states so you're lucky.

As for the frame, I'd go with a different website to buy it from as that one is a US seller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHyv0tNeLSQ - there's the SoCas install vid.

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Right? What's the deal with that? 7 people tried my headphones, age around 23 and 45+, and every time they crank up the volume really high. To the point it's absolutely unlistenable to me and I hear everything when they have it on. Why does that happen? Is my hearing that sensitive? They add like 45 dB if I would have to guess, insane.