Or because a lot of gen z is under 18

>Actions speak louder than words.

And they proved it through their actions by driving the Russian army back and inflicting heavy losses on them even before 99% of the Western aid arrived. Seems like when a country that is expected to fold managed to stand up to a country that was thought of as the 2nd strongest in the world. they have proven it.

Look at how quickly the Afghan army folded to the Taliban. That's what happens when there's no will.

>You're also conveniently forgetting the millions of Ukrainian men of fighting age who attempted to flee

Link me to your source that you base that on. Show me where millions of fighting aged men tried to flee.

I'm not trying to be rude, but my guy you're literally being pedantic over the most insanely minor details. As I said, you're just trying to argue. Rather than trying to recognize my point, you're picking at something incredibly minor.

If being obtuse and calling me pedantic makes you feel like a winner then I'm happy for you.

This conversation is boring now though.

Glad we could devolve so quickly to insulting each other.

This is an explanation of why they riots happened not a justification for them. Republicans have denied that Jan 6 was even a serious Event. Theyve Held up people like ashley babbit as heroes.

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>My point that Ukrainians are clearly not protesting and wanting their government to surrender?

??

>I'm just answering your question.

You're not.

>You're the one who moved the discussion in a weird direction.

I didn't. I raised a good point.

>There's nothing stopping people in Ukraine or outside of it. If the refugees are so eager to get back to their homes, why aren't you seeing any pressure for them on Ukraine to surrender? You only see the opposite. Strong patriotism.

Actions speak louder than words. Anyone, even non-Ukranians can claim to be intensely patriotic for Ukraine (same applies to Russia). But it doesn't mean much unless they actually choose to prove it.

>And if you think a 7 year old and her mother not staying at Bucha and leaving means they don't want Ukraine to survive, well, that's just the product of brain worms.

You're also conveniently forgetting the millions of Ukrainian men of fighting age who attempted to flee in the very beginning, around the time Zelensky enacted the general mobilization. According to witness reports from westerners who were in Ukraine, people were literally stopped in their cars by Ukrainian soldiers; the men were dragged out and forced to sign up. Doesn't sound very patriotic to me.

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This is hard to read. Data is not beautiful.

I have no dog in this politics fight but OP did use data for both suicides and life expectancy from prior to the pandemic. So your point doesn’t make sense.

To be blunt, I don't see any way Cleveland stays. They are already pretty upset at the OhioGOP, and this is just repressing them writ large. The other thing would be a massive depopulation of some of the cities, and if even 5 to 10 % of the population leaves, that city is going to be having a massive recession.

My point that Ukrainians are clearly not protesting and wanting their government to surrender?

I'm just answering your question. You're the one who moved the discussion in a weird direction.

There's nothing stopping people in Ukraine or outside of it. If the refugees are so eager to get back to their homes, why aren't you seeing any pressure for them on Ukraine to surrender? You only see the opposite. Strong patriotism.

And if you think a 7 year old and her mother not staying at Bucha and leaving means they don't want Ukraine to survive, well, that's just the product of brain worms.

How does this prove your point? Unless you're shifting goalposts?

Gunned down by the Russians who fired on humanitarian corridors

>LOL. Most of the people who fled were women and children.

And those who attempted to flee?

considering they voted for a lot of republicans in 2020 and warnock barely won over an exnfl player, i wouldnt hold my breath on that

LOL. Most of the people who fled were women and children.

Ukrainians did stay and fight. Why do you think the 3 day invasion turned into a quagmire for Russia?

They expected Ukraine to fall, the army to run, the government to flee and get an easy victory.

The reason Russia has lost so much equipment, soldiers, and prestige is because Ukrainians did stay and fight.

I made two separate sentences clearly delineated by a new line.... How that eludes you is beyond me.

What I say in this line is intended to be distinct from the one above.

If they wanted their country's independence to survive that badly they would've stayed and fought.

>Also weird how even abroad they are supporting Ukraine and protesting Russia.

Actions often speak louder than words.

All part of Putin's plan. Yup. Hes like a kerbilliom steps ahead

Weird how they didn't flee to the Russian side, right?

Also weird how even abroad they are supporting Ukraine and protesting Russia.

Russia did occupy Ukraine between the 17th and 20th centuries

The millions of Ukrainians who fled or attempted to flee would disagree.

You seem like the Germans, who have special toilets because they have such a hard time letting go of their shit...