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varmau t1_j9sgvup wrote

This growing gap is not surprising in an age when homeownership is so difficult. For many, the only path to home ownership is inheritance of a house or down payment. Greater need to rely on inheritance to achieve homeownership means that the inequalities of the past are amplified rather than mitigated. White people can inherit from multiple generations (parents, grandparents, great grandparents) while black people have fewer parents, grandparents, etc. who were homeowners (the main source of intergenerational wealth) and get less inheritance.

When homeownership is based on individual achievement, then the gap can close over time as the achievement gap closes (which it has vs. boomers, greatest, etc.).

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crimeo t1_j9sfo2x wrote

This is a really bizarre graph... 35 in age for example represents a completely different point in history for every one of the generations, so if the gap is bigger, is it:

  • Because of racist stuff changing or accumulating? Or...

  • Because of home ownership changing nationwide over those intervening years, in general, and that showing up at different points along the X axis for each generation even though it was simultaneous, tricking the viewer?

For example, if Gen X is 20 years younger than Millenial, then 50 for the blue line = the same point in time as 30 for the purple line. The gap at 50 on the blue line is around 28%. The gap at 30 on the purple line is... about 28%

So... gap in home ownership for Gen X and Millenials was actually dead even at the same point in actual time? But not when you spread them out by making the X axis age.

That doesn't mean both things aren't still happening. Just that we can't interpret it from a graph. I think this needs to not be a graph at all that humans have no way to validly make sense of, but instead a multivariate analysis to control out each variable each way and find the most well fitting model.


Unrelated: it would be vastly easier to follow if there was just a "ratio" line for each, not two lines.

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DeepJob3439 t1_j9seckw wrote

I personally think each state should go it’s own way, but hold a defensive aid pact. Should any one of them get attacked, the other states must come to their aid. After that’s, states can form their own unions at their leisure. This will deter states trying to forcefully gobble other states or China and Russia interfering.

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ExpensiveSwordfish65 t1_j9se8u0 wrote

Didn't Russia lose land and people from the perimeter of its nation leaving a fairly intact centralized nation? Our case isn't as simple as north and south anymore.

And I'm resigned with blood being spilt over this. MTG was right about one thing: this is an abusive relationship. And the abusers would be leaving. We're not gonna have peace when one side has built their entire tribal identity on war with the other side. So they can leave.

It's better than dealing with their domestic terror I'm and whittling away at specific peoples rights just because they don't like them.

It is brutal. But don't for one fucking second blame the left. This would be literally what they're clamoring for now.

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Eric1491625 t1_j9sdmnw wrote

Except how would you explain the breakup of the USSR? Why didn't the USSR slaughter their way to unity?

The USSR did not collapse like the Ottomans or Germany - due to fighting total war, exhausting their military and losing. They had their military intact.

The Soviet military was near peak strength, with 40,000 nuclear warheads containing some 500,000 Hiroshima bombs worth of explosive yield. Half a million Hiroshimas. And tens of thousands of tanks. Yet they did not use force. The Russian tanks didn't roll in.

It's funny that Americans consider Soviets and Russians to be brutal, rights-abusing, atrocity-committing evil guys - compared to "civilised" Americans - yet expect the US soldiers to murderously suppress seccessionists in a way even the "more brutal" Soviet soldiers did not.

Just food for thought.

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ExpensiveSwordfish65 t1_j9sd602 wrote

You don't think there's a difference between those with nothing living in destitution pushing back on the machine that forced them there compared to calling for dissolution of the union? One of these groups is fairly marginalized, the other seems... to want to enshrine a theocratic form of government with even more guns to harm the people they don't like? Just comparing the rhetoric between AOC and MTG.

Like if you don't appreciate the violence of the article you linked, I guess I can get that (unite the right violence aside), but it seems a false equivalence to me.

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tosser1579 t1_j9sd1cv wrote

Not likely. At all. The crux of the problem here is that the main issue politically is a urban vs rural divide, so breaking it up on state lines isn't going to work but even entertaining breaking it up state by state, this map doesn't work.

AZ and NM would probably lock in with Pacifica, you need ocean access as a nation and they are the better economy to hitch your star to so to speak. Co also swings blue, so they are also likely to go that way.

NC and Georgia join up with the east coast, GA votes blue with a few exceptions and so does NC. They aren't going to hitch themselves to the new america. SC is such a non-entity economically that they'd probably flip just to keep up the tax incentives that new england could afford.

If anyone goes alone it would be Texas, and they would.

Next you'd see all the big cities trying to break free of the 'new america', so places like Cleveland are going to do anything they can to get out of the red states, border cities would have a reasonable time of it. . Literally any city is going to want to get clear of New America.

Ohio's big 3 C's (Columbus, Cincinnati and Cleveland) are all overwhelmingly blue, and would likely have massive issues joining this new US of MTG. Realistically, Ohio shatters in this scenario with Cleveland joining up with the New England states, Toledo joining up with Michigan, and Columbus trying to break free but probably failing and there being an absolute mass migration out of there. Gary Indiana is going to try to stick to Chicago, they don't make sense otherwise. Pretty much the whole shoreline over there is full of people who work in Chicago/Gary and they are going to want to stick with Chicago.

Other issues include things like Rural NY is largely red, as is most of PA, just most of the population lives in cities that are blue.

Texas is going to stand alone if the nation divorces as New America will drain it dry, and if they are removed from New America that nations economic prospects dim considerably.

The short of it is dividing everything by state lines isn't going to work here. It would be more a west virginia situation where everyone starts bailing to join up with the side they want.

So what I actually would expect to happen is Ohio loses the Cleveland/Elyria corridor to the New England government because they don't like how the GOP is managing the state already, then the 'new england' government would probably bribe Toledo into shifting over, and you'd have a continuous land based nation containing all of New Canada and New England, plus Georgia and the Carolinas (again South Carolina would be bribed)

Pacifica includes 'New Mexico' and Colorado. Texas stands alone.

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