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ASoloTrip90000 OP t1_j9d5y4h wrote

The terms "foreign language," "world language," and "language other than English" are often used interchangeably even though they are not the same. For example, most schools in California have Spanish classes for both native and non-native speakers. Likewise, it is common to see ASL housed in "foreign language" departments. Truth be told, I just used the term "foreign language" since I thought it would be most recognizable to the reader.

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fd1Jeff t1_j9d5kq7 wrote

This is very distorted Many schools don’t offer a foreign language until eighth grade or later.

Edit: what I meant was you are automatically going to wind up with a very small number. Not many schools teach foreign languages under eighth grade. And when they said total number of students, did they start counting in kindergarten? You are automatically going to wind up with a very low number. What if 100% of students starting in 10th grade get intensive language training? Or maybe only their senior year? I really think what would be more realistic is how many students graduate speaking a languages that they learned in school.

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w1n5t0nM1k3y t1_j9d2sld wrote

I'm pretty much of the opinion that you basically have to take immersion if you want a good grasp of a second language. Up here in Canada everyone takes French from kindergarten through grade 9, but a vast majority of English speakers don't have a good enough grasp of French to carry on a conversation. It's really only the students who opt to take French immersion that have a food grasp of the language.

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ASoloTrip90000 OP t1_j9d21fv wrote

No, it's K-12. Remember that in California students are only required to take two years of a language other than English in high school (and that's only if they're on the A-G track). I teach Spanish and French in a public school in CA and where I work most students take two years and stop. Meanwhile, a lot of districts don't even offer language in middle and elementary school.

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PredictorX1 t1_j9d0lwq wrote

I wonder what effect the grade definition has on this? For instance, a place might have more students having taken a foreign language by the time they graduate from high school, but not before grade 10, diluting that place's average across K - 12. It'd also be interesting to see this qualified some how, like "percent of students passing some standardized test of fluency in any foreign language by graduation".

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el_basopsid t1_j9cz2sj wrote

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball.

America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time.

This field, this game-it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again.

Ohhhhhhhh, people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come.

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