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jojenns t1_j8ooohy wrote

Reply to comment by SuckMyAssmar in Gentrification by [deleted]

dwellings would not face a cap on rent increases if their permanent occupancy certificates are less than 15 years old and they were built from the ground up, added to an existing building or converted from another use to residential.

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SuckMyAssmar t1_j8oomns wrote

Reply to comment by Wilforks in Gentrification by [deleted]

I agree with your first two paragraphs, but I am not talking about young people, really. They are typically college graduates that have high-paying jobs. I am talking about an immigrant family that has lived here for 12 years and has 2 kids under age 10. Or couple that moved from Ohio to Mass and both 35 year old individuals work at TJ Maxx, one as a manager making $60k.

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3720-To-One t1_j8on7xm wrote

Gentrification happens whether you build or not.

Because when there’s an ever-increasing demand for housing, but the supply doesn’t keep up, prices rise.

And guess who can afford to pay more for that old unit than the working class family?

The doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc., who would have otherwise moved into that “luxury” unit.

Unless you find a way to somehow escape capitalism, gentrification is going to happen when there is high demand for housing and not enough supply.

Rent control doesn’t work. It just picks winners and losers, and exacerbates the problem down the road by discouraging new development.

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3720-To-One t1_j8omm4f wrote

Reply to comment by SuckMyAssmar in Gentrification by [deleted]

And what do you think happens when you don’t build more housing?

They still get priced out.

Unless you plan on keeping a neighborhood intentionally shitty so that nobody wants to live there.

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Wilforks t1_j8omj3k wrote

I’m all for rent control, but I also recognize the cost of building in Boston, and would generally not consider any new developments that are walkable to transit to be anything but luxury. Their sale prices will need to be over $1000/sqft to justify the effort of construction.

Where rents are now, even if increases for existing tenants are capped at 3% annually, there’s money to be made in most neighborhoods. I don’t like to see people who pay their rent reliably displaced out of greed.

If you’re near a road, you’re near transit, move far enough out and car+housing can be affordable. I think the perpetually young city of Boston needs a reality check every so often, that walkable living and eating/drinking out a few nights a week isn’t a sustainable lifestyle for most people, certainly not for people who also don’t want roommates. Demand is high and those amenities that make city living attractive are competing with housing for land under foot. Do people really want to live that way forever? It gets repetitive, doesn’t it?

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man2010 t1_j8om5mv wrote

  1. It's an "I got mine, screw everyone else policy" where the local government essentially picks winners and losers. It would also make it more difficult for the city to maintain its high standard of living

  2. If the "luxury" units aren't built, the people who would live in them would still move in and raise housing prices, they'd just move into the older units. Stopping new housing construction won't stop gentrification, it will just result in more wealthy people moving into older housing.

  3. I'd have to read more about it but it seems better than indefinite rent control. New York also isn't exactly affordable despite this and other rent control measures

  4. Has this been attempted anywhere else, and why would any developer agree to it?

  5. Implement more statewide zoning measures to promote new construction while restricting local zoning and community input policies. Expand transit service in areas where people will actually use it (i.e. stop wasting money on projects like south coast and east-west rail)

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charons-voyage t1_j8olz8e wrote

I mean…when areas gentrify, they become cleaner, have more amenities, and are able to attract uhhh more “higher quality” residents which then results in things getting cleaner/better etc and the cycle continues.

Obviously there are huge impacts to the community when this happens and people end up priced out, but that’s just life. If we want nice things, we need people that can pay for them. When we get nice things, people want to live there, high demand = high price.

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JPenniman t1_j8olw8o wrote

If you add enough market rate housing, prices will drop quite significantly across the board. I think many fear requirements for affordability will just dissuade the introduction of new supply. Additionally, the middle class gains very little from affordability requirements because the new units they would be eligible for are those that need to subsidize the affordable units which likely makes them still unaffordable.

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FoodGuy44 t1_j8olto9 wrote

This post is already becoming painful. Maybe the OP should research how the Real Estate Market works. Good grief…

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SuckMyAssmar t1_j8ola7p wrote

Reply to comment by Middle-Example6618 in Gentrification by [deleted]

I disagree because those that have been living there for, say, 20 years get priced out. Their landlord sees an opportunity to make more money and increases the rent accordingly. Where are these individuals to go?

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jojenns t1_j8okbx4 wrote

New Luxury housing is financed by banks. Banks wont give financing if units are rent controlled because the numbers will not work. Thats why even the affordables can be an issue and why Wu is proposing waiving that requirement for the first 15 years

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Middle-Example6618 t1_j8ok8i9 wrote

I mean, raising the prices of those area residential properties because of new local development is called appreciating intergenerational wealth, from another perspective.

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closerocks t1_j8oj3qx wrote

Mixed-use zoning still reduces the commercial tax base because is typically used for low value commercial like nail salons, coffee shops, and dentist chains. High-value commercial like manufacturing, pharmaceutical, chemical, R&D lab, nuclear medicine isotope production would still be isolated in an industrial ghetto. They should be colocated with residential so that the people that work in these companies can live within walking distance.

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hvdc123 t1_j8odyot wrote

The only surrounding town that would reasonably apply to is Lincoln. If they lost the commercial space next to the train they'd have none left. I don't know that the legislation can force the cities/towns to build mixed use but that's been their plan for years. Everything got put on hold until the details shake out.

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