Recent comments in /f/baltimore

BigVikingBeard t1_j9y754d wrote

Okay, great, a scant few physical labor opportunities are there. Not everyone is cut out for physical labor / trades. Not everyone wants to or can be an electrician, steam fitter, welder, carpenter, whatever. Can it be a decent career? Sure. Is it for everyone? Fuck no.

That's before even getting in to the atrocious work/life balance culture that the trades foster, especially outside of unions. You want to tell me that 40 and beyond hours a week of manual labor with limited or no vacation time, shitty healthcare, a culture of companies getting mad if you take time off for being sick, nevermind having to work around a shit load of insanely racist dipshits is particularly appealing to an 18/19yo black kid from the butterfly?

And that's not even getting in to transportation costs and/or the time investment if they have to use our shitty public transit of getting to these jobs.

White people in the L have white collar jobs available to them that pay better, have better work/life balance, better Healthcare, and so on an so forth.

And either way, it doesn't change my point. The kids are still growing up with deeply ingrained cultural cynicism towards life, towards their still ongoing oppression. Those few jobs might lessen the slope of Sisyphus' Hill, but it definitely doesn't remove their struggle.

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Syphon6645 OP t1_j9y6zmz wrote

Love it! For generations, as a society, we've pushed college or you'll be nothing. That is absolutely not true. But these kids absolutely need something in high school. Teach the basics of a trade or something. 20+ years ago we had wood shop and mechanics. That's at least something. I see parents, like myself, teaching my kids ROI. Go do you and learn what you're passionate about. Quite frankly, industry moves so fast that by the time todays high school seniors graduate college they are going to get a job outside their major. Today, 80% of people work outside their major.

These kids don't need to go to college and get into an insane amount of debt just to get a low paying job. I have 4 kids. I only have 1 that really wants to go to college because of what he wants to do for a career.

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lorena_rabbit t1_j9y4kw0 wrote

Good luck in your house search! Hopefully whoever you work with to buy your home will tell you about the grants and incentives available for first time buyers, and I would imagine, teachers. When we bought our house in Baltimore in November we got almost 9k through various grants to put towards the down payment . Here is a site with some that are available.

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TheSocialistApple t1_j9y4f3d wrote

So, ya know how lead paint will fuck up your brain?

And like how having terrible nutrition will screw up your cognitive development?

And did you ever stop to think how poor neighborhoods have bad schools?

And seriously now, you really could have spent two seconds thinking about this.

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three_stories_tall t1_j9y4d1s wrote

Csx has a project where they pay their employees to go to high schools one day a month and promote their job shadow program to seniors. Guaranteed $30/hr job when they graduate. Some kids get into it but never take the job.

Every city sponsored construction project will hire know nothing laborers if they live in the city. Usually there's a giant banner at the gate. That pays $18/hr and you will learn a trade by the end of the project. Usually only one or two guys will show up.

Opportunity is there for the taking.

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S-Kunst t1_j9y445z wrote

Where we have a main problem is that our city school system has this magical idea that all students will transition to college, where they will not only gain salvation into heaven, but be erudite sophisticated and have many career opportunities. In reality a large percentage of our student population flounders aimlessly in school and leave with no job skills. It seems obvious that the reason they city keeps the self selecting high schools, like Poly & City, is to provide places for the elite to send their kids so they do not have to be in schools with the general population. If our schools were to start the career planning and exploration & skills programs, in middle school, so when the kids enter high school ready to follow a career path (like they do in Germany) AND if the high school had a strong job placement department, all this would provide students with a focus and clear cause & effect example that being successful in school leads to a living wage job. Of course this means our high schools need to be set up for jobs skills and not a generic college prep curriculum. Yes, the sacred college programs should be offered, but not as a default for all. Just because one secures job focused training does not eliminate college possibility later. Community colleges have been set up, for decades, to provide this transition.

Additionally our middle school kids need more focus on being citizens and socialized as their are changing mentally and physically. This was to be the main goal of the middle school philosophy, not to be a mini high school, not to be and extension of elementary school, which is how the city structures its current schools for the middle aged students. Peer influence become dominate in these middle years. Parent influences lessens. This has all be realized decades ago, but the desire by the middle & upper class parents for their child to be ready for the elite college has kept the middle school ideas and curriculum from being adopted.

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fountain-of-doubt t1_j9y2k9v wrote

It's not just Dundalk. Living in Baltimore taught me as long as your flashers are on you can park anywhere. My theory around turn signals is that it is a response to people not letting you merge etc if you use it.

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S-Kunst t1_j9y201w wrote

No one seems bothered by the city having self selecting schools. Assured outcomes are easier and more predictable if you can control the inputs. Private schools are able to select or reject. Not difficult to make gold of you start with gold.

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BigVikingBeard t1_j9y1igf wrote

How exactly are people in the black butterfly supposed to get educated in sub-standard schools with under-supported and stressed the fuck out teachers, all while trying to teach kids who get shown every single day that life is stacked the fuck against them.

What yearly budget? There aren't a lot of worthwhile jobs.

What meal planning? There aren't really any grocery stores.

They can see beyond what's in front of their face, but literally surviving what is front of their face takes precedent over everything else.

They don't care about themselves and others because that requires having a potential future. And these kids grow up being shown that they have no future without putting in an endless Sisyphean level of effort.

And then we wonder why these kids grow up cynical as fuck and join gangs and shit.

And then no one invests in the butterfly because it's "full of crime".

And then we get more cynical kids...

And so on, forever.

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