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_Malverde t1_j7pztar wrote

Quarantine road charges to dump building materials. If you have a city address on your license (possibly they go by vehicle registration because they input your plate number on the scale) i think its only 20$ per trip. Contractors and non city residents pay the full amount. Hope this helps

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MrRich1972 t1_j7pzso6 wrote

Maybe try Sisson St. Just dont a truck that has a company logo on it. Considered commercial and you'll have to pay. I would call 311 and ask also. Good luck.

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MedicalSpecializer t1_j7pzjau wrote

oh and tens, if not hundreds of millions of Americans should be written off. they’re unpleasant, unproductive, unimaginative, and/or unintelligent. the negative external costs are higher than their economic value. it does little good to keep them in the workforce, pay them to stay unemployed and quiet, we will all be better off

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MedicalSpecializer t1_j7pyor2 wrote

Untrue, the rich and powerful know that a highly educated workforce, even if it costs more to pay them, are for more productive (meaning more profit), have longer healthspans (meaning less money paid out by insurance), and work more hours and into older age (meaning less retirement). Elites, at least those with any economic sense, want a highly educated, productive workforce, which is why tax policy encourages spending of hundreds of billions, if not more, on education every year.

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Substance-Possible t1_j7pyc4p wrote

Yep, cars are the actual danger. People act like anyone who rides a bike has to account for every annoying thing any other biker has ever done, yet just shrug their shoulders when faced with any of the egregious things car drivers do all the time.

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MedicalSpecializer t1_j7pxxxv wrote

The students don’t care, the cycle won’t break because these students aren’t going to put the momentum to break it because they understand that their life will not meaningfully, materially improve even if they do get a decent education. They’ve been largely locked into poverty, permanently, and there’s no interventions that can break that. It’s best to provide palliative, post-education resources to make sure that they’re comfortable, safe, and out of the way.

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addctd2badideas t1_j7pxp0c wrote

60 million people have been killed by communist regimes by execution, starvation and a variety of other means. And it's not just that the regimes have killed that many people, it's that the whole idea of communism was that it was supposed to be a system that leaves no one behind.

What unfettered socialism and communism proved is that even without a capitalist system, you will still have fat cats and starving dogs. At least within a highly regulated capitalist system, you theoretically have more opportunity for the poverty class to become upwardly mobile.

Naked socialism has been proven to be an egregious system that just because it's designed to be equitable, doesn't mean it actually is. Capitalism remains the least worst economic model.

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jordan3184 t1_j7pwld7 wrote

Rich and powerful of this country wants middle class and lower middle class to stay dumb and work low paid blue collar jobs so they can keep making money and keep getting servants. They don’t provide good program which really lifts the lower class or middle class. They have billions of dollar for war but not for humanity.. Democrats or republican both suck big time

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ScootyHoofdorp t1_j7pwi22 wrote

Holy shit this wasn't going where I expected it to. Your attitude is reprehensible. To just permanently write off an entire swath of the city's population (and by extension millions of Americans in similar situations) as beyond hope is vile and cold. I hope you're never in charge of any kind of policy. The cycle won't be easy to break, but the macroeconomics of this country don't really even allow for us to make a targeted, sustained effort. But that doesn't mean that will always be the case. These are people we're talking about, not unruly pets.

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DecayableBrick t1_j7pwddx wrote

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment

They tried throwing a massive amount of resources at a similar school system under order of a court and produced almost no positive results. Kansas city had the highest per capita funding of education and the most opulent facilities probably of any public school system in US history. It's an interesting experiment and anyone discussing school funding should be aware of it.

>Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil--more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country. The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.

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umbligado t1_j7pw41f wrote

True. But it’s odd to me that Baltimore School For The Arts, a magnet high school, is one of the “zero” schools. Sure it’s tempting to make the assumption that an arts school wouldn’t do well on math, but these kids are actually pretty talented, well rounded academically, and many come from affluent households. Is something off with the reporting? Am I missing something? It simply seems weird.

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Matt3989 t1_j7ptn0q wrote

For those who don't know, Baltimore Students can apply to go to any Middle or High School in the City. The program concentrates academic performance levels; The best schools are good, and the worst schools are very very bad.

Students who even remotely values their education (and often their safety) are not going to find themselves in one of the schools mentioned here.

I could go on and on about complaints I have with BCPS, but I just thought that people should understand that this stat is exacerbated by the School Choice Program.

Edit: Not to say that the School Choice Program is bad. It allows students from some of the worse neighborhoods a chance for social and economic mobility, and it allows parents with the means to go elsewhere to still feel comfortable raising a child in public schools here.

It is also very much a: "Leave Entire Schools of Students Behind" program. The Wire had it 100% right here, by the time a student hits middle school, it's too late for intervention.

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MedicalSpecializer t1_j7psbk3 wrote

okay let’s not use foxbaltimore.

Per the school district, their 2022-2023 budget is $1.62 billion. They also say they have 76,000 students. That’s $21,300 per student.

https://www.baltimorecityschools.org/node/1597

https://www.baltimorecityschools.org/district-overview

I’m not blaming the school district, system, teachers, or administration. I’m fact, I think most of them are highly competent, caring, and intelligent individuals who want their students to thrive and succeed.

And those community center and after school programs? They improve math skills (good!) but that’s the end of their effectiveness. They have no impact on attendance or behavior, like at all. They don’t work.

https://www.mdrc.org/sites/default/files/staying_on_track_testing_higher_achievement.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4597889/

These resources don’t meaningfully improve outcomes. This tons of funding isn’t improving outcomes. What do you want to do? It’s not working.

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jabbadarth t1_j7ppj98 wrote

First off let's not link foxbaltimore as a source. They specifically write pieces to rile up the county folk and get clicks, they don't actually want to help. Second this is insanely ahortsighted and assumes that all these kids have no chance of ever learning which is bullshit. I mean most won't become doctors but some will and just because most won't doesn't mean they should be abandoned to "play video games", I mean wtf. There are tons of jobs that don't require a high level of education.

The problems, which are constantly laid at the feet of the school system stem from much more than failing schools. There are certainly some schools that have poor leadership and bad teachers but saying the whole system is failing means that a majority of teachers aren't doing shit amd that's bullshit. Thing is kids go to school for 6 hours a day 5 days a week assuming perfect attendance that's 30 hours a week. Take out 56 hours for sleep and that leaves 82 hours where kids are outside of school. Plenty of those kids have normal family lives with parents who care and have time to help with reading and homework but plenty have parents who are too busy to help or unable to help or no parents or any number of other issues and yet we expect them to get enough information in 30 hours a week while the 82 hours they are generally on their own and free to do what they want.

The solution is a multifaceted one that involves a whole lot more than just a school. We need mentors, community centers, before and after school programs, parenting classes, free childcare, more and better jobs for parents with free Healthcare and paid time off. But instead we just say these kids are hopeless.

I've said this a thousand times but it took us decades to get into this situation with awful policies and disinvestment and racism and segregation amd it will take at least that long to fix it if we start actually trying today.

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Inevitable_Sherbet42 t1_j7pp95r wrote

>Well what is to be done if education is irreformable and the kids will never amount to much? Simply put, the city/state/federal government should simply pay them to stay out of society, live comfortably, and avoid interaction with the rest of us. The cost of the integration into the broader economy and society of Baltimore of these kids is far too high relative to their expected lifetime productivity and sociability. Instead, we should pay them to stay out, and let the rest of us create a future here.

You do realize this isn't an answer, and that it's not even fully kicking the can down the road further. You're tapping the can lightly.

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Xanny t1_j7pohvg wrote

We could even build them their own communities, we can call them "projects", and have their housing subsidized. I'm sure that would work great.

The US tried this shit. You have to break the cycle. It isn't "economically" profitable in the short term to do it. Nothing else works, people will still exist even if you wish they didn't, and we know from history if you just try to leave all the poor people on their own in a corner somewhere their living conditions deteriorate until it takes the whole city down.

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