I read somewhere that for every DUI ticket, the driver has typically driven approximately 80 times drunk before.

Without cultural normalization you never reach that point.

Well if you want to lock people up for using drugs that's your call. Frankly I think it's fucking idiotic.

It’s not like it’s even a good way of extracting revenue! The state is going to get way more out of someone being employable in the long run. Plus not paying all the social costs.

But someone being a functional citizen and paying taxes makes no money for the prison and rehab industries.

Gotta love mandatory free labor aka the US prison system

Agreed. Public transit should run till after bar hours every day of the week. It’s ridiculous that it doesn’t.

I'm offended by non-stop attempts to turn this into a police state where the police don't solve serious crimes. If you don't like ANY drinking, move to Saudi Arabia.

Until then, I want to see facts about how many accidents this would prevent, not more sanctimonious moralizing.

tis right here

western civilization was built on booze, at one point you didnt drink water it would kill you so they drank beer.

What's with you, man? Why are you so offended by being told to not drink? Are you an alcoholic in denial or something?Just don't drink and drive. That's it. Period. Nothing else to be said.

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Its like they set you up to fail. Giving people DUIs on bikes is also bull shit

Ok, so if we aren't worried about accident rates, what is the actual issue here?

Yeah you can also factor in time, eating, drinking water during your bar visit etc. The threshold for losing gross motor skills due to the effects of alcohol varies greatly among the individual. The best rule of thumb is too always get a ride or uber if you plan to drink. If you're going to drive, moderate your drinking, don't slam drinks, eat food, and sit for a period after your last drink and have water and chill. Alcohol dissipates at a rate of about .02/hr. But take it from someone who has gotten a DUI, its easier to get a ride than pay 5 grand and do jail time.

Facts please.

It's amazing how easily that could be done with all of the speed cameras around here.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022437506000478

Science, yo.

I encourage you to take a look at wta.org to find hikes that match your skills and desires.

The Cascades are east of Seattle, and will be heavy with snow above 2800' or so. The Olympics will offer you much more access to hiking and unique areas.

You should read through this guys post history and it will explain everything.

I read the last one and skimmed this one. I will read and post a summary later. Watch this space.

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Two things. You seem to overestimate the value of your opinions, and there’s plenty of room to lock up more drunks.

Or the psychedelics we're an attempt to deal with what we're crippling.ental health issues. Don't believe me, look at the research.

Right, that was exactly what I was saying. Right now in theory someone who was pulled over for a .05 isn’t drunk driving. With this they would be.

I agree it won’t change behavior. It’ll make the state and a bunch of private rehab companies some revenue, at the cost of a number of ruined lives. And less wealth all around of course, but hey, the private treatment places got their cut.

And also get rid of the fines. There is a financial incentive for law enforcement to never solve the problem completely. If the penalties were more severe and there stood nothing to gain for the state, the problem would be solved really quick.