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an_m_8ed t1_j3ix78c wrote

Reply to comment by wolf_spanky in If you're looking for a dog, please consider one of our long-time residents by ktcat146

I'm not denying that there are increased risks of owning a pit bull because of many factors, breed included, but increased risk does not mean causality. These lines of thinking are like saying ice cream consumption increases when Americans wear swimsuits, therefore swimsuits make you eat ice cream. No. That's not how statistics work.

Regardless, I stand by my point that someone should not be deterred from owning a pit bull because of it's breed alone. This should be assessed on an individual dog and owner basis, and all factors should be taken into account.

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whatyouwant5 t1_j3itk9w wrote

Reply to comment by wolf_spanky in If you're looking for a dog, please consider one of our long-time residents by ktcat146

Casualties is not causalities.

There is definitely selection bias.

Not surprising larger dogs cause more damage than smaller dogs. Gf's pig has bitten me 40-50 times. Barely scratched the skin. My lab mix bit her once and she went to the ER.

Why don't we see the same frequency issues with Danes and Tibetan mastiffs? There just aren't many.

Why are Pitts and rotties used as security dogs? Some may be due to genetic predisposition, but they are also plentiful, relatively cheap and human society knows they can fuck you up.

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wolf_spanky t1_j3ik954 wrote

Reply to comment by an_m_8ed in If you're looking for a dog, please consider one of our long-time residents by ktcat146

Yes, they do show casualties. It’s data that’s been documented for a long ass time. Sorry, bud.

  • From 2010 to June 2021, 60% of all fatal dog bites in the U.S. involved a pit bull or pit bull mix. The second deadliest breed was Rottweilers at a whopping...7%

  • From 2005 to 2020, pit bulls were responsible for 67% of the 568 Americans killed by dogs.

  • Pit bulls and Rottweilers make up 77% of all fatal dog bites, despite being only ~6% of the U.S. dog population.

  • Pit bull terriers are 48% more likely to attack unprovoked than other dog breeds.

  • Pit bulls are 4.4x more likely to cause complex wounds during their attacks than other breeds.

  • Pit bull attacks have higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than attacks by other breeds.

  • From 2005 to 2017, 54% of fatal dog attacks were inflicted by family dogs, and 64% of those dogs were pit bulls.

  • From 2005 to 2019, 64 infants were killed by dogs. Pit bulls were responsible for 48% of those deaths.

  • In 2019, pit bulls were to blame for 91% of all fatal dog attacks in Texas.

  • A Level 1 Trauma Center in Richmond, VA did a study from 2007-2017 which found that out of 356 patients admitted for dog bites, 53% of those dogs were a pit bull or pit bull mix, with the next closest breed being a Labrador/Labrador mix at 10%.

  • You are 213% (WTF!!!) more likely to get a severe injury from a pit bull than other breeds.

  • Pit bulls or pit bull mixes responsible for/total fatal dog attacks in the U.S., by year:

2016: 23/31 (74%) 2017: 29/39 (74%) 2018: 25/34 (74%) 2019: 33/48 (69%) nice 2020: 33/46 (72%) 2021: 37/51 (73%)

  • Here are some dog shelter statistics on pit bulls/pit bull mixes:

More than 50% of all pit bulls in the U.S. are up for sale or adoption Most of the pit bulls put up for sale or adoption were given up by their former owners Between 19% and 32% of all dogs taken to shelters are pit bulls Pit bulls remain in shelters approximately 3x as long as other breeds 40% of pit bulls in shelters are euthanized every year (a different source goes as high as 80%) The adoption rate for pit bulls sits at 4% nationally

  • Between 2013 and 2021, 20 states confirmed that pit bulls were involved in most dog bite incidents.

  • Pit bulls are used for dogfighting more than other breeds, likely due to their natural aggression.

  • The U.S. Army banned pit bulls from military housing due to their dangerous nature.

Sources:

https://www.coloradoinjurylaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-studies-level-1-trauma-table-2011-present.php (on this page alone there are 111 mentions of "pit bull")

https://pawsomeadvice.com/dog/pit-bull-statistics/

https://dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/pit-bulls-facts-and-figures

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sassy-hognose22 t1_j3ij6sh wrote

Reply to comment by daisybrees in Engagement photographers in Forks, Washington? by [deleted]

https://www.wired.com/story/antifa-social-media-rumor-forks-washington/ One of the major incidents happened when a large part of the town was complicit in trying to lynch a multiracial family.

I moved out of Forks last summer and it is no doubt a sundown town. I and other LGBTQ+ members have been threatened and harassed on multiple occasions. It's a shame because the surrounding nature is incredible. If you're committed to this, book a photographer from Seattle or Bremerton, and take photos in either the national parks (Crater Lake, Hoh) or on the reservations.

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an_m_8ed t1_j3ihypz wrote

Reply to comment by wolf_spanky in If you're looking for a dog, please consider one of our long-time residents by ktcat146

The statistics don't show causality to my knowledge. Breeds have a selection bias, for example, some people who like having pit bulls (whatever you define those as since it's not really a breed) may also be the type to abuse them or train them to attack/guard because that's why they selected the breed, leading to higher-than-normal fatalities and dog attacks than other breeds. That's not a breed problem, that's an owner/breeder/human problem. The statistics that prove causality are inconclusive at best. There are many perfectly sweet pit bulls and many perfectly dangerous dogs that are not pit bulls. If one is looking for a dog, you have to look at the dog's history and present behavior, not the breed, if you want to find a dog that fits your goals, with some leeway of breed type to match your lifestyle. Don't let the breed dissuade you completely from finding a good fit.

Now, that's not to say that certain breeds don't have tendencies because of their breed type (herder, retriever, hound, etc.) There was a recent study showing, yes, generally speaking, a breed within a category will have these tendencies from the blood line as a breed group, but attacks, cuddling, barking, etc. within the breed varies widely and will not tell you the personality and temperament of the dog itself. It's dependent on the dog and experience(s) with breeders and owners. This suggests that these "pit bulls" should be assessed individually and take into account lifestyle factors from the breed categories.

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GingerCatGang t1_j3i0e6z wrote

Reply to Crawl Space Converted into Apartment without Permit by Intelligent_Bad8773

It sounds awful but it will be the buyer’s headache. I live in WA and we were under contract for a house that had an attic conversion. During the inspection part of the process we requested records of the permits for the work done but found out it was unpermitted. Went to the county to find out how to rectify and we would have been on the hook not only to get it retro permitted but also to pay 18 years in back taxes with interest since the addition impacted taxes and value. Obviously we walked on the deal.

Basically if no one says anything during the buying process then nothing happens. Just depends on if your buyers care or not.

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pusheenforchange t1_j3hw7vk wrote

Reply to comment by an_m_8ed in If you're looking for a dog, please consider one of our long-time residents by ktcat146

That's certainly part of it - they tend to attract a certain class of people, which leads to an extreme lack of spaying and neutering that's the main problem with pit bulls. The secondary problem is that when they get violent, their genetic programming makes them do way more damage than other breeds of dogs, which is why they need to be strictly controlled at both an individual and societal level.

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