Yeah I deleted the comment after I realized the article was a terrible example. You got a really good point and more focus should be put on the battery within EVs. Even though the "car" can last far beyond 200k miles, the battery must last at least as long in order to become more ecological compared to combustion engines. Battery manufacturing obviously needs to be improved.

Ok. Sure. But is there a point to what you said?

We agree on the physics, which of course change nothing with regard to "solar panels steal sunshine" would be stupid propaganda by the fossil fuel industry.

Also, again, technically correct that the solar fusion by the sun is not renewable on cosmic multi-billion to trillion year time scales, but that has NOTHING to do with the definition of renewable within human discussion time scales.

Oil is going to run out in decades or a century or whatever, if we kept using it like the recent past it's gone in n generations and n is likely a single digit.

Solar OTOH is not going to run out before we

A) go extinct anyway

B) figured out practical fusion

C) spread out over half the galaxy.

It's renewable within any relevant time scales.

More than we'll ever use is what renewable means.

Spotify more your speed?

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ZBdeZLitzqNPBbvv9QIEz?si=13b6be5db8a642df

Don't listen to Joe Rogan, listen to Siddharth Kara.

I agree that all of those are bad. I would not post something about more of those minerals being mined or more ICE cars being sold in uplifting news.

I would post something about the mining's abusive working conditions that need to get regulated and improved regardless of resource or what it is used for.

>solar panels steal sunshine

I mean, technically, yeah they do. That’s kind of the entire point, innit? Law of energy conservation and all that. Surface temperatures under a solar farm are significantly cooler (as one would expect, because, you know, shade and the whole turning solar energy into electrical energy thing.

And until we start launching our trash into the sun, solar isn’t actually renewable… there’s just more of it than we will ever use. And at the end of the day, all energy used on planet earth is just solar energy that has been stored somehow, at some point along the way.

Did you just try to support your point with a Joe Rogan video on TikTok?

I can't even watch that video because I block TikTok and really have 0 interest in listening to Joe Rogan.

Assuming this is about abusive working conditions - again - that's not about extracting a particular resource, but about abusive working conditions. This needs to get regulated and improved regardless of resource or what it is used for.

What about iron, copper, nickel, gold and platinum? Oh and let's not forget the goddamn oil that gets extracted, processed, transported and burned to drive ICE cars.

NATO does not operate military bases, nor own any military equipment. It is only a coalition of countries willing to defend each other.

Is it anyone's birthday today? This is their Florida Man headline. Nice and pleasant.

Ah that's excellent! Thank you!

My initial reaction was definitely "Neat, now put it back!"

And US gasoline consumption is 10-15% off its 2019 peak, and covered to drop another 10% over the next 18-24 months. This is partially due to EVs, partially due to higher efficiency standards, and partially reduced driving due to more WFH.

This is a great point.

I had no idea.

And how was this single wheelchair bound, on oxygen guy “caring” for these kids. Surely there was a better option.

These people would beg to differ that this is a "bad talking point:"

https://www.tiktok.com/@ancientciv/video/7205699999244537131

This is incorrect. EPA has a website dedicated to disproving myths around EVs, it even includes the exact myth that you posted. Take a look: https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth2

Well its been following him for a year so id say hes its flock now

I take it that’s new car sales. I wonder what the figures are when you include used car sales as well

1 in 7 was only last year. In each previous year it was much less. So... the headline is just being silly to try and confuse readers into thinking the decline of ICE car sales is due to EVs.

Ah.. the orphan crushing machine...

Yeah this was my first thought also. Florida man finds something incredibly old and incredibly rare that's still alive then does everything he can to immediately kill it lol

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u/TableSurface can't reply to your comment for some reason. So I'll do it like this:

Did you actually read the article? It had a battery pack replaced TWICE. That car alone caused more environmental damage than a fleet of Hellcats. That's kinda exactly what I was on about here.

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Exactly this, before lithium ion batteries the only option was lead acid batteries. 20 years ago, I tried to convert a VW bug to electric, it was only going to be cable of 40mph and it would need 10 x 12v batteries.

The horrible lie about EVs being ecological must stop. Do people seriously not realize how much environmental damage manufacturing those batteries does? I find it absolutely pathetic how everyone's just willing to ignore facts that don't suit their narrative so here are some:

Manufacturing batteries for one car creates about 16 tonnes of CO2.
Running a petrol engine car for a year creates about 2-4 tonnes of CO2.
To make an EV actually more ecological you'd need to run it for about 200000 miles, now show me an EV with more than 200k miles on it.