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chadnotchad t1_jb03lqs wrote

Reply to comment by dc456 in New UN brokered High Seas Treaty Places 30% of Ocean into protected areas by 2030 after decades of talks by AstroEngineer314

12 year acct here. Uhhh. Yeah, probably. But there's also millions more users than ever before, and alot of people have alot of reasons to be unhappy. So it's not surprising alot of comments come of extra doomy lately if a large portion of the population is apprehensive af about the future. Having your worries come through casually in a .5 second comment you've thrown into the wind without even necessarily expecting to be replied to, or even intending to read any replies is pretty whatever behaviour, my dude. Is it unhealthy? To ocean conservation efforts, certainly, but maybe it's like a 2020's stress ball for the type of rando's who rightly believe alot what the UN does is lip service, or worse, what the musicians on the titanic did (or didn't do, I admit I'm pulling from the movie here)

The point is if there's more people you see on reddit that feel like doomers, maybe that's simply because there's more people lol. Welcome to the information age, where we get to share all the shitty things 24/7 more or less unrestricted to anyone else in the world at a moments notice

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alexmbrennan t1_jb0377k wrote

Reply to comment by HaysteRetreat in People convicted of a federal cannabis possession charge can now apply to have the conviction removed from their records by OregonTripleBeam

>One big point of all of this is that people who would otherwise be productive members of society

But could they be productive members of society?

If they cannot restrain themselves from taking illegal drugs that come with a significant prison sentence then I don't want them making my burger because food safety rules need to be followed and they have already demonstrated that they are not capable of following rules.

>societal point of incarceration and keeping track of convictions is to limit people who would negatively impact the rest of society from doing so.

If you cannot follow rules then you will negatively impact society. It doesn't matter if it's the speed limit, food safety or fire codes - if you break the rules then people can die.

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alphahydra t1_jb034fv wrote

Reply to comment by dc456 in New UN brokered High Seas Treaty Places 30% of Ocean into protected areas by 2030 after decades of talks by AstroEngineer314

Yes, I do. I think there's a few things at play.

For one, things are genuinely getting worse, and we're starting to see the real effects of climate change and pollution become more apparent, which is shocking a lot of people out of their complacency, flipping all the way to the other extreme. From "that's a problem for the future" to "OMG we're all dead".

People are also a bit frazzled and anxious coming out of the pandemic, and now looking at climate change, biodiversity loss, along with the warn in Ukraine, nuclear risk, the increase in worldwide authoritarianism, H5N1, etc. and it's a lot of crises to process at once.

The internet is also hurting people's ability to grasp nuance. It's critical that we understand there are many different possible levels of "bad outcome". Just because we cross the threshold into one bad scenario doesn't mean all is lost, there's no hope for the future, and there's no point striving to prevent things getting yet worse, or that we can't make things better in other ways.

If we don't celebrate the victories and keep striving, then all really is lost.

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ErieSpirit t1_jb02gpe wrote

Reply to comment by bhbull in New UN brokered High Seas Treaty Places 30% of Ocean into protected areas by 2030 after decades of talks by AstroEngineer314

>How about 100%?

A surprising amount of the ocean is within the Exclusive Economic Zone of countries, as defined by another UN agreement called UNCLOS. So based on UNCLOS, countries have control over waters within their EEZ. This new agreement addresses waters outside the of EEZ's of countries where currently no one had control. I think that this is a good start.

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ErieSpirit t1_jb02280 wrote

Reply to comment by _borisg in New UN brokered High Seas Treaty Places 30% of Ocean into protected areas by 2030 after decades of talks by AstroEngineer314

>The UN is a joke, no one cares about it or even tries to act like they do.

Well, you may have a point on some issues, but certainly not all, and not when it comes to the oceans.

Some of the most widely used and adhered to international agreements regarding the oceans are from the UN. UNCLOS which defines territorial waters, innocent passage for ships, and general laws for the use of the ocean, is a UN agreement. Then there is the International Maritime Organization, part of the UN, which among many things is responsible for the COLREGS. COLREGS are the "rules of the road" for ships at sea to avoid collisions. I can assure you that every country in the world cares about these, and adheres to them.

So I don't agree that no one cares about the UN.

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alphahydra t1_jazxmaj wrote

Reply to comment by dc456 in New UN brokered High Seas Treaty Places 30% of Ocean into protected areas by 2030 after decades of talks by AstroEngineer314

Exactly. Obviously it could be better, but I don't think people here are grasping just how HUGE a deal and what a big positive step this is. This is a 25x increase in the amount of protected ocean, countries currently at geopolitical loggerheads (China, and the EU/US/UK) have actually put aside their differences and actively teamed up on championing the deal, the agreement has been agreed with many nations in the Global South to apply it in a way that's fair to them, and environmental groups are extremely positive about it

We should be skeptical of it, yes, but kneejerk doomerism and negativity over any positive move is probably almost as toxic to attempts to protect the environment as big oil propaganda at this point. In fact, some of it IS big oil propaganda.

A third of the ocean protected doesn't mean two thirds destroyed. The opposite, it potentially helps the rest recover too.

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