Yeah dawg, imma take that as a no

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I guess it must be pretty remote, considering there's not a listing on Google maps for that park in Utah. Even if we assume that wasn't just a bullshit anecdote to try and prove your point, let's look at it. If you're 100 miles from a gas station before getting to the park, we can safely assume you live no less than 100 miles from this park. You are correct about there being 10s of thousands of different parks in the country. With that many, it's probably a safe assumption that there's other options closer or as close as Fischer, especially in the western part of the US where the population is more spread out. I am 100% confident you could find an adequately remote nice campsite that wouldn't need an off road vehicle to get to.

You realize your attitude is exactly why those other countries are producing as much pollutants as they are? That pollution is the direct result of consumer spending, and the attitude of it's always someone else's fault. That's exactly how those countries' citizens view the US and western Europe. People that buy whatever they want without caring about how it impacts the world, why should they then care themselves? I can't control those countries actions, but I can control my own, same as anyone else.

Maybe you have trouble understanding me. I'll go to Fischer national forest. The nearest gas station is over 100 miles away. There is no one nearby. To get to the trail is a borderline off-road obstacle course. There is no taking a car and hiking in to the trail head. You have to drive 30 miles deep into the park. This is the middle of no where Utah. You understand not all locations are the suburban getaway your talking about correct? There's tens of thousands of different parks, forests, BLM lands in the united stated. You understand how each of them can be different, no?

> You can tell me you care about the environment all you want, but the fact you made literally the worst choice possible for your mode of transportation as an individual tells me you really don't care that much.

Are you able to comprehend that not all situations are black and white? How you can be a conservationist, in preserving the natural beauty our great nation has, while caring less so about CO2 output. I mean come on man. You can live totally off the grid, never burning a single particle of fossil fuels in your life, while being absolutely dwarfed on the global scale with the likes of China, India, and developing African Tribes and nations.

So you're saying Ukraine did things that angered Russia, therefore, the fault lies with Ukraine. Along the same lines, the US is also responsible for 9/11 then? Since their actions in the middle east angered muslim extremists?

Because you're lazy and don't want to hike out to the campsite? I go to big cypress, park my car where the road ends at a lot for park visitors, and hike to camp. Not every weekend mind you, but its not that hard. It's literally a mile or 2 at most to get to a remote enough spot that there aren't other people around. If you want to drive out even further than that, more power to you. But suggesting it's necessary to off road to get to a remote camping site is ridiculous.

Look, I'm not trying to take your jeep from you, or even say you're a bad person for driving it. Do what makes you happy. But an individual's choice of transportation is the single most impactful decision they can make for themselves that will impact the environment. You can tell me you care about the environment all you want, but the fact you made literally the worst choice possible for your mode of transportation as an individual tells me you really don't care that much.

Woohoo this is fantastic and wholesome. I am glad that the tabby is back home.

I disagree. You're one of the good ones. I've met so many conservatives from Florida through my time in the military and I desperately wish your statement was true. More often than not I found that they subscribe themselves to the current radial right wing ideologies

Oh and here’s a down vote since you down voted me. And you know I really don’t appreciate how y’all sent Joe Kent over here. he was a monster. And that’s what your culture produces. He was a real piece of work. He thought he could put a different bridge someplace else.

but hey if you want to put down my state, two can play at that game. I can absolutely rip Oregon a new one for violating peoples constitutional rights on the daily for the last decade. And by constitutional rights I mean like a right to a speedy trial. And endangering the public with its lack of public defenders. but if you said you just didn’t have the money I’d understand.

you know I’d understand a lot better if it wasn’t for the fact that the median income raised in Oregon more than any other state. everyone is in reality richer, and we are more at each other’s throats than we’ve ever been.

I miss when Portland was poor like we were. Because at least then you were nice

> If you are driving your vehicle to a national forest, you could easily do that in a smart car if you wanted to. I never implied public transit was a viable option for this.

My brother in Christ, why do you think I've lifted and put larger tires on my vehicle? Do you think these roads are paved? Have you ever left the city?

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And I won’t back down because it was not put on the state. It was put on the city.

my hatred is coming from your blaming. And the fact that you deny what was really going on. Raising sales tax for everyone again really?

Washington state neglect pretty much everywhere that isn’t Seattle. And a lot of people in Oregon say the same thing if they don’t live in Portland.

Why would the most populated area, Seattle or the second most populated area Spokane, give a flying shit about anyone who isn’t themselves?

Portland can sway their state and government very easily because they’ve got the population to do so. because they have the economics to do so.

blaming Washington state for wanting a smaller bridge which y’all refused to accept a smaller bridge because we couldn’t afford it because it was a Vancouver Washington that was paying Not the rest of it.

Spokane, Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia. Those are the big cities here. Oh Oregon has one big city and then they have Eugene and Salem. it just happens to be that y’all are on the border of the state.

There was fighting. Stupid fucking people protesting the fucking light rail. Oh I can’t even call that particularly controversial as an element these days. I am only responsible for things that happened after 2008. Because that’s when I start voting.

But ultimately this was a huge fucking fight because the state didn’t want to pay for it. Because only our city would be using it. And high and mighty ivory tower Portland Oregon victim blaming

Im in my 30s and I first became aware of the term under obama. I thought it was cuz people were trying to make him out to be communist or something

This article reminded me why I dislike birds. On the positive note that really makes this cute: “to have the Irish Naval Service take her to the warmer waters of the Canary Islands”…☺️

I sometimes wonder myself…

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Not the commenter you responded to, but I think they're overstating the problem a bit. Some of these places are purely used as second homes. The owner only lives in them for a very limited part of the year, and the rest of the time they sit empty. They're also used as investment properties. Maybe a company buys them to sit on the unit(s) for several years hoping to flip and sell, or they could be foreign purchased units....

Ultimately, if you're not earning money from a commercial or residential tenant then they're not "making money" off the property . . . until it's sold. And I *think* that's the point the other commenter was making.

I understand that you don't have income tax and that Oregon doesn't have sales tax. Budgeting for projects state wide takes into account what money is coming in from various sources.

I'm not going to back down on my opinion that if there's a bridge between two states, both states should pay for it. I don't quite understand your hatred and refusal for this.

You can't get home owners insurance there??

Most people I talk to are at least aware of our most famous invaders, the brown cuban anole. When I was a kid, green anoles (native) were everywhere. Most Florida residents I've spoken to about it know they've been nearly eradicated by the brown anoles. Many people have discussed the lionfish eradicating life on our reefs as well. There is a lot of pride in Florida's ecosystem among natives, even from some of my more conservative connections. Everyone loves our manatees and gators, too.

How do they make money off of it if there are no tenants? Sounds like it’d cost a lot of money to build and maintain something like that so I’m just curious the reasoning if they don’t intend to rent out

Spent the first 18 years of my life in Dunedin. Grew up on union street. So proud of what this community has done!

I was sitting on my front porch years ago and saw my cat cross the street and jump into an open service van. Thank goodness I was saw it and was able to rescue him.

My bad bro I was referring to naples Florida 😂

People don't have to inhabit them for them to make money, unfortunately.. this is becoming a thing in the US also. Whole apartment blocks go up and are intentionally priced so high nobody can live there because tenants get in the way

This is how naples is getting, nobody to fill all these apartments but they're still going up