They do have a 26k leaf so electric vehicles are still affordable, sure. You're not buying a tesla loaded with the big fuck off battery, 4 motors, super cruise, and every other option, but affordable options are out there if you want one.

I agree. A newborn lived, but holy crap, look at the context!

But they also don't have 15k Nissan sentras on the other side of that

Yeah when the class sizes are too big they do that. My guess is you were there before all the high school additions that were added to accommodate the 9th graders. We have a 2nd and 3rd floor now in only ONE area that are not a complete circle but a U shape so traffic is terrible. Maybe you were there before the entire East wing was built too.

Ice cars also don't have a tesla that registered every trim line of the model s as a different car fucking up the averages.

Ok, we are still talking average price, every new ice vehicle doesn't start at 44k

That's not even close to being part of the discussion, but I also don't keep cars past their warranty period.

For three years, maybe. But that hardly matters because if you buy new you’re eating shit on depreciation. Warranties also do not include maintenance items, so all your consumables as already mentioned.

You can also roll the dice on needing a 15k dollar battery replacement, we are talking new purchase vehicles in this article

No I'm comparing the average of each type of vehicle

Average vehicle cost is a bit off though. There's a number of evs out there for less than 66k you can buy the 35-45k electric vehicle if you want.

If you're a buying a brand new vehicle, it comes with a warranty that's going to cover much of that, tack on 150 a year in oil changes maybe

They're turning ICE cars into horses. Only the rich can drive ICE cars.

Btw, they're NOT making EVs any cheaper neither. Only the rich can drive EVs.

Sort of yes. Many people add cheese. It normally contains cream of something soup. It is absolutely delicious. I use a mixture of two soups.

So, you are comparing a luxury EV price, vs an average ICE-car?

Yes, if you are already buying a car, of similar price as an EV, get the EV. Has cars will start to deprecate much more, when you see gas stations and mechanics shops closing.

I'm not opposed to describing 2.5 degree + as catastrophic, I just think that describing 1.8 degree as catastrophic makes the rest of the scale meaningless.

I'd say 1.8 would cause "serious destabilization of society", 2.2 "massive destabilisation of society", 2.5 "catastrophic", 2.8 "cataclysmic", 3.2 "threatening breakup of society", 3.5 "apocalyptic", 3.8 "threatening extinction", 4.1 "hope that the Svalbard seed vault works after the survivors leave the bunkers", 4.4 "at least antarctica will be nice after we're gone".

it is but to a geographical extent that it's far less dangerous than the lifetime operarional cost that an ICE. overall an EV pollutes far less than a combustion engine.

So use better descriptors.

"Destabilizing to society"

"Cataclysmic"

"Endangering the survival of humanity"

"Extinction level threat"

"A danger to all life on Earth"

There's plenty of room to increase the severity of the language used. The fact that you're opposed to describing the projected effects of climate change as catastrophic is mind boggling to me.

isn't the method of manufacturing electric vehicles and their associated components like batteries considered very environmentally hazardous? or is that a lesser problem by comparison?

You definitely don't lose 10% range in two years and the battery chemistry and quality is not the same as a phone.

But you clearly have your mind made up to ignore facts so no point in debating with you.

> Pretty sure the battery cells and battery management system is an EV is a bit more advanced than your phone.

Same lithium ion batteries. And how you use and charge the batteries matters. As well as hot and cold extreme weather.

>90%+ of the original range.

Exactly. The batteries degrade quickly. They may not completely fail, but after the first charge they start degrading. You'll lose 10% of the charge capacity and range of the vehicle in the first two years.

Replacing the batteries is extremely expensive. And can cost up to $20k.

I'd f#ck them up final fantasy 7 style and plant a homemade bomb at one of their refineries. Of course I'd only target their control stations, as if the tanks blew up then I'd be as bad as them. I could also find a way to make a reactive additive, which would make the oil unusable.

Economies of scale will make it cheaper.

taxes on cars in denmark already cost 150%
It's disgusting.

It’s not just gas. Gas, oil, brakes and rotors(due to regenerative/one pedal braking, electrics don’t consume them as aggressively), spark plugs and coil packs, transmission fluid, differential fluid for some AWD models, diesel DEF fluid. There are a ton of consumables in gas/diesel cars. Even in my fairly low maintenance car I’ll spend about $2000 in consumables over a five year period, even before gas enters the picture.

And that’s ignoring the potential failure of gas/diesel components that don’t exist on electric cars. Turbos, exhaust systems, high and low pressure fuel pumps, the many many air/fuel sensors involved in running a car like MAP, MAF, IAT sensors, injectors, water pumps, these are all non-wear items that commonly fail and can represent hundreds or thousands in repairs. Now granted electric cars have their own unique components - but not nearly as many as gas cars.