Recent comments in /f/Pennsylvania

Karrius12 t1_jahqrb9 wrote

Right, but the point is, that number is so small as to basically be fake. We're talking 1% the weight of a human cell. These kinds of instruments are extremely sensitive, and will ping off of nothing, or noise. Even then - its hard to trust whats actually being detected is fentanyl. A lot of analytical tests simply arent that specific.

It's not that theres some contamination - its that this detection process only pings under extremely specific circumstances that aren't actually happening.

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HaileSelassieII t1_jahq1rp wrote

So Republicans forced the PA mmj program to disallow edibles "because of the children", if I'm remembering correctly that was extremely important to them. Now that it has resulted in unregulated edibles being more easily accessible by minors, I think we can all agree that was a dumb fucking move that didn't help anyone, children included. (And, they should have been aware this was a potential issue because we have been dealing with synthetic cannabinoids/Spice/K2 for over a decade now, luckily these products don't contain those substances but it's still related and something they should have been aware of, they're in every gas station)

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AgentInCommand t1_jaho2gy wrote

The positive test threshold is so low that it's within the margin of error. You're basically getting a result that says 1, +/-1; you can call that a false positive, if you want to be charitable to the group that is making a spectacle of fentanyl at every opportunity, but it sure seems to border on malicious to me.

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Karrius12 t1_jahnoe4 wrote

Sensitive equipment has to be used properly, or else you get false positives.

I want you to think about a dollar bill for a second. Just your average dollar bill.

Chances are, it has some cocaine on it.

That dollar bill has 20,000x the amount of cocaine on it than what the police are claiming they tested on the gummies. 20,000x!

Forensic science, especially in the hands of the cops, is fake more often then not. Real analytical chemists never make the kind of statements those in law enforcement do. We also understand our equipment and detection limits.

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DelianSK13 OP t1_jahn1ks wrote

I'm sorry about your friend. I don't think anyone is poking fun at the fact that fentanyl does exist and kills people all the time. And I agree that these sort of gummies should be regulated and tested.

To be fair the article isn't exactly clear. They say the cops found it on their machines that test at such an insanely small level but the lab did not find any. The author even says he doesn't know the labs detection threshold. But if a lab who deals with this stuff on a microscopic level doesn't find anything and the cops are saying "it's setting off OUR testing equipment" then the issue is probably with the cops and their equipment.

Are we 100 percent sure there isn't even .0000000000000000000000001 percent fentanyl in the gummies? No. I don't know that you could ever be 100 percent certain on that. But it is very clear now that the gummies the cops took weren't responsible for the deaths of the people that caused the cops to investigate anyways.

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