Okay that is a bad arguing point fair, but it’s just waking up early.. it’s not like kids have to run marathons the second they wake up. Also, it’s not unrealistic times. Real life won’t adjust hours just because you’re a little sleepy.

How old and drafty are the windows? Might be worth replacing those and fixing other drafts/insulating properly with a house that old.

Organic. Maple. Syrup.

This bullshit has gone on far too long.

Exactly. Starting later also doesn't account for the fact that they would essentially need to double the amount of busses and drivers because the busses wouldn't be able to do high schools first then middle and elementary students. While also only paying thkse drivers for one trip making bus driver and even less desirable job.

Later? Why not earlier? We've fallen so far behind compared to other countries I think we need to step our game up a bit.

and yet they are required to.

And the schools have a legal obligation to do that.

"Some people don't do things optimally, so we shouldn't bother trying to fix anything."

>Relatedly, I once had to get up super early to shadow a friend of mine in a college class. Ended up falling asleep at least twice during the lecture because I was just that damn tired. I had no clue how college students did it but fuck if I didn't think they were troopers.

It helps that, generally speaking, a lot of college students live on campus. It's easier to roll out of bed 20 minutes before class than it is to commute.

Schools have to accommodate everyone's needs, not just the able.

True, entirely anecdotal, as I thought using the phrase "that I met," would indicate. I also suspect there are kids working for family businesses or taking care of younger kids in their family after school. They are not tired from screen time.

I would have hung myself from the Southern Aroostook basketball hoop if it was 8-5

No system can completely accommodate absolutely every single unique situation or set of circumstances.

That was how I heard and saw it many times.

We should fallow the data, elementary school should stay the same middle school should be pushed back an hour and highschool should be pushed back 2 hours. If we want our kids to do thier best we would do that.

But the reality is school is a glorified daycare. Most parents don't care and just want to pawn off thier kids cares. Not caring about thier education. And sadly that's alot of teachers options too.

8-5 like a normal person!

Mental focus requires training and discipline. It doesn't come naturally!

They should both start early. No room for laziness!

You must be referring to yourself

Yup. I was able to work 1-2 jobs in high school due to our early start time. It was 7:30am and we got out at 1:50pm.

I mean you're right, 100%, but...methinks OC might be aware of that. They were speaking generally.

There is also tons of research that says that elementary school age kids need a lot of sleep (9-11 hrs).

I am all for having the high schools start later, but many schools do that at the expense of having the elementary schools start earlier, which I do not support at all.

I would be happy if they did this in elementary school as well.

The research showing the benefit of later start times is pretty overwhelming. I think you may be the one choosing to believe your own “statistics” here.

School sports arent important for their growth, and they are clearly less important for the student body than academics. You're suggesting its good to make learning harder, because sports kids and parents dont want to bother with any effort.

Why not make the volunteers (athletes) put the extra work in, rather than everyone?

I also did sports, but it's absurd to suggest those are a valid reason to disadvantage 95% of the student body

> most people simply stay up later and offset whatever benefits they would have seen in the first place

Yes, I'm sure none of the studies on this subject ever considered this...