So what are they supposed to do from ages 15 to 21?

That is the case for a lot of elementary schools for some reason. OP was talking about high school, which is why he wrote:

high school hours are based on what adults want and not what is in the best developmental interest of adolescents

That statement is true for high school hours.

I don't know why this is getting downvoted, sports schedules are an actual reason for school start times.

No. What happens when you graduate and start work or college ?

Yea if you were going to create school out of nothing it would be the correct choice. But now you have other considerations like sports that are culturally just as important.

So what if they do? What’s wrong with kids who aren’t already conditioned to work in some lame office 8 hours a day? If they can do all their learning from 9-2, what’s the difference? From what I have experienced, teachers do very little instruction at the hs level. It’s more about maintaining order and teaching to standardized tests

All schools should stop conditioning kids to sit in offices all day. 730-3 isn’t a reality for most anymore

I don’t think the start time really matters when compared to the atrocious sleep schedules of most of the students in the state… if you’re up until 3/4 on a screen the 7:30 start time isn’t the problem

Housing was a non issue 3 years ago build a fuckin wall instead

This didn't and cant happen in maine

Yeah, itd benefit their sleep schedules, plus just safety. Many have to stand at pitch black bus stops for part of the year, at their age without parents around likely, maybe a flashlight from their phone. Thats dangerous, someone could easily kidnap the kid. Itd be much safer if they started at like 7 or even 8:30 in the morning

Yes

I start my first shift adult job at 0630 because it uses the most available daylight. School should be the same way, so sports, particularly winter sports, have some hope of being performed by sunset.

Having high school start early gets kids ready for the real world. Adults in a household should be considerate and stop making noise after 8pm and the kids should go to bed when tired, and not stay up with their phones under the blankets playing on instagram.

It shouldn't be the "tail wagging the dog" though - sports shouldn't be the primary concern in this issue, it should be what is ideal for students to learn, because that's what they go to school to do in the first place.

That’s a weird statement since in most school districts the elementary schools start later than the high school, so clearly they aren’t trying to make it easier for adults and screw over kids.

I get the sleep pattern things but there are other considerations, school sports being the main one, especially in Maine where kids are traveling pretty far distances for games.

Yes!!! When I was in high school it started at 7:40am. Like…we lived up the street from school and I still had to get up hella early so I could shower and give my hair enough time to dry enough that it wouldn’t freeze on my way to school. I don’t even know when I’d have needed to wake up if I lived farther away!

Kids and teenagers need more sleep, it’s kinda cruel to force them to get up early just because of some arbitrary puritan-era stupidity about “early risers are morally superior”.

Yes. Yes. For god's sake, yes! It's been know for at least 49 years that this should be a thing, and yet, it still isn't!!!!

And parents, your high schooler should learn to be independent! You keep on working and let the kiddo fend for themselves!

Yes, there is no learning happening at 8am for too many students. I almost didn’t graduate because the only time they offered senior English was first thing in the morning.

I'll bet ya they stay up an hour later

Yes. I recommend students here start high school when they are about 21 years old.

Yes. I'm a night owl, I've been a night owl for over a decade now, waking up in the morning is absolute hell in a handbasket for me. Manageable, but my speed, my smarts and my memory all take a massive blow.

The amount of times I nearly fell asleep in class because I've had to get up at 5:30 in the morning is astounding. I slept in and missed the bus so many times and from there I was fucked because 1) my mother refused to drive me or call me out as absent and 2) I wasn't allowed to walk to school even though it was 15 minutes away from my house, so all I could do was just...stay home and miss school.

Relatedly, I once had to get up super early to shadow a friend of mine in a college class. Ended up falling asleep at least twice during the lecture because I was just that damn tired. I had no clue how college students did it but fuck if I didn't think they were troopers.

So yeah. Let the kids go to school later, Janet. It won't kill you.

I don’t understand how CMP can pay Sea Salt and Spruce a half a million dollars for this weak effort. I can’t tell if making all of your shill accounts on September 7th and 8th 2022 comes from laziness or inexperience.

Says the 8 day old account’s first post.

I have lots of questions too. Like why are there so many accounts that solely defend CMP and were also created on September 7th or 8th?