Recent comments in /f/MachineLearning

chaosmosis t1_j47d0ev wrote

In addition to being more straightforward, applying the same total amount of compute to a single model doing end to end learning is often better for performance than splitting up compute between multiple models. As far as I'm aware, there aren't any systematic ways to tell when which method will be preferable, this is just a rule of thumb opinion.

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DisWastingMyTime t1_j47ans8 wrote

Reply to comment by thedabking123 in [D] Bitter lesson 2.0? by Tea_Pearce

In vision/robotics this is already the case, low hardware/liw cost requirements is an incredible seller for automotive industry, so large disgusting models are out.

But we still use deep, if anything it's pretty surprising how much is possible with "shallow" models, for specialized domains, but thats still very far from explainable models

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lavaboosted OP t1_j479g4e wrote

>If you train a NN to generate a representative knowledge model that solves a "simple" problem that could have been solved with an explicit solution, you're still doing ML.

I guess my question would be when do you know that what you have is a representative knowledge model rather than just a simple function? Another question that might help clear it up for me is - what would have to change in order for the strandbeest program to be considered machine learning?

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wind_dude t1_j4767yf wrote

>ChatGPT is a dialog AI,

OpenAI doesn't even call chatGPT AI or dialog AI.

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>Non task-specific problem solving at the level of a human. The boundary between advanced AI, especially multi-task learning models, and AGI will get smaller and fuzzy in the coming decades, but there is a difference.

That is closer to the original older definition of AI, I don't think I've seen one credible definition that doesn't include problem solving. AGI just started getting used because AI had been used to much to refer to stuff that isn't AI.

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rafgro t1_j47678z wrote

Reply to comment by nohat in [D] Bitter lesson 2.0? by Tea_Pearce

See, it's not bitter lesson 1.0 when you replace "leverage computation" with "leverage large models that require hundreds of GPUs and entire internet". Sutton definitely did not write in his original essay that every bitter cycle ends with:

>breakthrough progress eventually arrives by an approach based on scaling computation

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grandzooby t1_j474sza wrote

Naieve Bayes Classifiers, support vector machines, decision trees, k-means clustering... these are part of machine learning but not AI. They may be sometimes used in AI, but so are processors and memory chips but those aren't AI either.

"Modern AI" is almost entirely made of neural networks, which is merely one of the topics in machine learning. Older AI was based on things like A*, formal logic systems, fuzzy logic, etc., little of which is "machine learning".

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ndemir t1_j474eox wrote

When I have similar doubt, I ask myself; "forget ML, will statistics help you? Will just defining some rules will help you?" People in that industry already have some kind of idea about how to predict, learn their rules. By the way, I am not suggesting that you should not use ML. I am just asking you to look from a different angle.

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Nowado t1_j4723n6 wrote

Reply to comment by ThirdMover in [D] Bitter lesson 2.0? by Tea_Pearce

That was precisely the point.

Amazon started as a sales service and then moved to become platform. Once it was platform, everyone assumed that sales business was too small for them.

And then they started to cannibalize businesses using their platform.

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currentscurrents t1_j4716tp wrote

Reply to comment by ml-research in [D] Bitter lesson 2.0? by Tea_Pearce

Try to figure out systems that can generalize from smaller amounts of data? It's the big problem we all need to solve anyway.

There's a bunch of promising ideas that need more research:

  • Neurosymbolic computing
  • Expert systems built out of neural networks
  • Memory augmented neural networks
  • Differentiable neural computers
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currentscurrents t1_j4702g0 wrote

Reply to comment by mugbrushteeth in [D] Bitter lesson 2.0? by Tea_Pearce

Compute is going to get cheaper over time though. My phone today has the FLOPs of a supercomputer from 1999.

Also if LLMs become the next big thing you can expect GPU manufacturers to include more VRAM and more hardware acceleration directed at them.

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