Recent comments in /f/Futurology

Chemical_Ad_5520 t1_jchcxxc wrote

There are a variety of theories about how entropic forces may decay and destroy the universe, but consider that life and intelligence are able to organize parts of the universe in ways that resist entropy. That's evidence of a possibility to organize the universe such that it finds a sustainable equilibrium. Heat death is not absolutely guaranteed.

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Chemical_Ad_5520 t1_jchc5my wrote

Just because billions of years is a long time compared to our lifespans doesn't mean these possibilities are irrelevant. You could argue that there's no objective meaning about it, but the same is true about all the decisions you make which affect the present too. Most people don't think very deeply about where humanity, life, intelligence, and the universe are headed, but some people do feel that these long-term outcomes have subjective meaning to them, the same way your choice to eat, work, and enjoy Reddit have some sort of subjective meaning for you.

I care about the fate of humanity, life, intelligence, and the universe, but some people just aren't interested in that. It doesn't make one set of interests right or wrong, it's just a matter of what people are trying to leave behind.

Many people would say that billions of years is too much time for what we do now to have a lasting effect, but we're actually living in a very dynamic and impactful time, which very reasonably could have bearing over the nature of the death of the universe. Entropic forces in the universe seem to be opposed in some ways by the organizing forces of life and intelligence. It's possible that the continued technological advancement of our society makes the difference between the universe eventually destroying itself or finding a sustainable equilibrium. So much is at stake right now, and people who look far into the future as part of their process to try to help control humanity's progress towards positive outcomes are the ones who are best equipped to keep technology and society from going off the rails. Certain technological, political, and social developments in this century could determine the fate of the universe.

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fieryflamingfire t1_jch85vj wrote

No reason ever? Beyond being an engaging philosophical topic, it can have the benefits that have already been mentioned.

You point out that there life will be very different that far into the future, which I'd agree with. But our passage of time might be very different as well.

Again, not saying we dump all our grant money (or any) studying this question. But I also don't think it's useless to think about.

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fieryflamingfire t1_jch6csw wrote

Idk, let's speculate on some reasons:

  1. It makes our current conflicts seem small or unimportant. A sense of "smallness" against the backdrop of the entire species or the entire universe. This seems similar in spirit to comments made by people like Carl Sagan or Neil DeGrasse Tyson when discussing the "largeness" of the universe and Earth's place in it.
  2. It gives us a common goal, which might drive social cohesion, which is a role religion and myth currently fulfill
  3. It makes us reflect on why we care about our own survival in the first place, and what the whole point of our existence is beyond our own survival as individuals

This is all speculation, but it's just as speculative as: this is going to distract us from facing real issues and bring us closer to our demise.

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SomeTimeBeforeNever t1_jcgzjnn wrote

I'm not sure how to respond to this because it doesn't disprove the findings of the double slit experiment.

From the article:

"Indeed, the results of both Truscott and Aspect’s experiments shows that a particle’s wave or particle nature is most likely undefined until a measurement is made. The other less likely option would be that of backward causation – that the particle somehow has information from the future – but this involves sending a message faster than light, which is forbidden by the rules of relativity."

The presence of an observer is necessary to experience the world. If a tree falls in a forest, and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?

No it doesn't. Sound is the result of the disturbance of a medium, usually air, oscillating between 40 and 40,000 hz striking our eardrum, which sends a signal to our brain that produces the sensation of sound. If the puffs of air were oscillating below 40 and above 40,000, we'd hear nothing. There's nothing intrinsically different between 40 hz and 20 hz, but only 40 hz produces sound.

Same thing with light. Photons between 4 and 7 nanometers striking our optic nerve send a signal to the brain to produce the image. Photos below 4 and above 7 wouldn't produce an image.

Our universe is fine tuned for life and our consciousness is inextricable from it because it's part of it. We aren't separate from anything, we're part of a dynamic cosmic process.

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dja_ra t1_jcgxvg0 wrote

as I understand it, the universe ceases to exist, in fact all reality stops, at the moment of your death. No brain, no awareness, nothing. So, why then, am I concerned about the future. I won’t know that live, heck, I won’t even know that I lived. Also, we are having trouble getting people to do anything about global warming, which is a much more fixable problem than the heat-death of the universe.

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