that's the function of life, purpose is self-imposed

No we do not need to shovel all existing web content to Microsoft, Apple, and other tech hypergiants. A lot of what the article said feels true but I completely disagree with their conclusions.

What we really need are the digital equivalent of public libraries, not locking things behind corporate paywall subscriptions.

Edit: If there is any conclusion we can draw from the last decade of TV/movie subscription plans is that the controlling companies are not always the best curators of content.

> The photon is always measured, it’s never not measured.

That is not accurate:
> "In the famous double-slit experiment, single particles, such as photons, pass one at a time through a screen containing two slits. If either path is monitored, a photon seemingly passes through one slit or the other, and no interference will be seen. Conversely, if neither is checked, a photon will appear to have passed through both slits simultaneously before interfering with itself, acting like a wave."

The classical double-slit experiment -- as well as the beam-splitter and atomic variants discussed in the article -- have additional measurement in one condition vs. the other:
> "Truscott’s team found that when the second laser pulse was not applied, the probability of the atom being detected in each of the momentum states was 0.5, regardless of the phase lag between the two. However, application of the second pulse produced a distinct sine-wave interference pattern."

i.e., there is a human observer in both cases, but there is more manipulation of the photon in one case than the other case. As a result, the difference is the different manipulation, not the presence of an observer.

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ChatGPT says 13 days.

Fuck should I know, ask an orbital physicist.

My whole point is that the answer to a question like that is too complicated to just ask chatGPT..

There's a case to be made that AI could help us eliminate many of the problems we face today regarding meeting basic human needs. AI could help automate processes that reduce the costs of producing food, shelter, medicine and education to next to nothing. AI could be used to actually improve our wellbeing. AI and the easing of human suffering aren't inherently mutually exclusive.

But based on the fact that it's corporations and intelligence agencies who are pursuing AI, I very much doubt we'll get this new nirvana. It remains to be seen, of course, but it would seem highly unlikely that their aims are anything but to maintain the status quo.

Advertising/money killed (is killing?) the internet. Advertising/money will kill "No-Web" / chat-gpt.

Early search had few ad's, but showed all kinds of odd content that wasn't always relevant.

Google stepped up the game by simplifying things, making things very fast, and having minimal ads.

Google (and other search) then added in location aware algorithms allowing for more curated searches. This was good. A search of "new restaurants" is crap if it's returning stuff from 1,000+ miles/kilometers away when you just wanted to try some new local restaurants.

Advertising/Marketing industries realized that they could better advertise with more specific ads towards their customers by knowing things about you. Advertisers/Marketers wouldn't have to pay for ads for makeup for those who don't wear it ... or sports stuff for those who don't like sports ... or kids toys/clothing for those without kids, etc. On it's own, this wasn't actually a bad thing. But all new technologies also come along with new ways to abuse the system. Advertisers/Marketing saw huge profits, google got more profits, the cycle of greed was in full swing.

Modern google is a mess. Ads are everywhere. Results trying to guess what I want - and often getting it wrong. I can't even get consistent searches for the same topic across multiple devices. People gaming the SEO (search engine optimization) of their websites so that they show up at the top of searches that have nothing to do with their actual content ... or worse ... just bots websites/companies creating copies of other sites so that we see literal duplicated content across many sites, just to force you to their Ad-riddled pages. And all this with the knowledge that everything I type, mis-type, search, click-on ... is all being recorded and sold.

Chatgpt is fun and interesting because it's new - like google when it was new - clean, simple, fast. Give it a few years before they re-do all the above steps and ruin it.

Dude nobody is arguing we can't do better. I am telling you flat out for a fact there is no value in thinking of events billions of years in the future, and especially not to base decisions today on what might happen someday in the far future. It's utter nonsense.

It will require energy. Which is the second law of thermodynamics, which says that in oder to think, you must use energy and not completely free. Memory would also be an issue as you can't have an unlimited amount of memory.

Hey OP, keep your personal comments to yourself.

Not if they are intelligent. No intelligent species would construct its own demise on purpose just to achieve a vanishingly small period of extreme opulence and convenience.

Conscious observer is the differentiating variable. Everything else is the same. The photon is always measured, it’s never not measured. The experiment is the photon being shot in the same way at the same place with and without a conscious observer.

When there is no conscious observer it behaves differently and produces a scatter plot in the measurements. When there is a conscious observer, it strikes the same place over and over.

You should read more about the experiment it’s very interesting. If you don’t understand the experiment there’s really nothing left to discuss here.

So how many days then?

This is hilarious nonsense. I don't think either of you understand what billions or trillions truly mean. Based on how evolution and life works as we know it, there is zero chance we would still be the same species in billions of years. We won't even be humans. We might all be conscious robots in 100 or 200 years. There is no reason to ever consider how present actions will affect the far future. It has no value and is not productive in any way. It's like making a plan in case the gravitational constant changes, or the speed of light stops being constant.

You have made it clear that you are incapable of adjusting your world view to allow for others views to be different from your own. Blocked.

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How would it motivate anything ?

It just distracts from real issues that we are facing now. Like we REALLY could die before 2050 by AI

Stop wasting time on issues 10^100 years away

Now this guy gets the point☝️☝️☝️

It's exactly that, extrapolating the obligation to future generations to it's maximum potencial

That's usually what happens, and has been happening for the past few thousand years. So seems like you're making an accurate hypothesis

Yes It is, does that make it any less amazing?

Not It doesn't, it makes it balls sucking amazing

Hope you can see it some day

Just because we are not doing the best we can with it right now does not mean we can't change It.

If I point you to data that shows that the human condition has been rapidly improving (probably a result of our tendency to spend tons of money developing technologies like artificial intelligence), would you take back your comment that we're idiots?

He's a bit salty isn't he?

There's almost zero chance humanity will exist the time frame is around 1.7×10 to the power of 106 years. It took 13.8 billion years of cosmic history for the first human beings to arise, and we did so relatively recently: just 300,000 years ago. 99.998% of the time that passed since the Big Bang had no human beings at all; our entire species has only existed for the most recent 0.002% of the Universe.

Evaluating those figures says to me it's extremely unlikely this should be of concern. I will never know how long humanity exists but it's likely to have come and gone in a negligible amount of time compared to the timeframe for the heat death of the universe to be realised. In fact for the amount of time Humans have existed there could be a hypothetical reincarnation of humanity billions of times in that timeframe. The task for humanity to exist this long is overwhelmingly against it ever happening. In fact humanity it's almost definite we'll make no dent in that timeframe and will have ceased to exist trillions of years before the Universe ends.

the duality only shows up when the individual photon passing through the slit is measured

When there is no measurement on the individual photons it behaves as a wave and when there is it behaves as an individual particle.

Nothing to do with conscience