Yes, i 100% agree to this. It's more of a universal motivator to fix all of our other problems in my perspective

Humans are an iteration on the cosmic evolutionary scale and whatever comes next is perfectly natural and nothing to be feared as we are one with all things, the physical separation we experience is an illusion.

I like this theory of the origins of life on earth https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/ast.2019.2045 The Hot Spring Hypothesis for an Origin of Life

Consciousness is everything and exists independently of the human species. it's inextricable from all things in the universe because it's the underlying energetic force that animates everything..... even if there were "nothing" there'd still be quantum wave functions of subatomic particle probability and that would produce life again.

Life is just one of infinite dances of consciousness experiencing itself. It doesn't need humans to do that.

If humanity(or an evolution of it) survives the expansion of the sun, then the contraction and death. I would be a little surprised.

That's in 4 billion years or so.

Heat death is trillions of years away. If any ancestor of modern humans exists at that time, I'm sure they'll think of something.

Assuming heat death is the destiny of the universe. I think until dark matter and energy are better understood, the assumption the universe will continue expanding infinitely should be taken with a grain of salt

Humans will likely cease to exist as the biological entities that we are now. If we get AGI/ASI then humans will have to biologically interface with machines. I can't imagine humans with their biological frailties surviving billions and billions of years it seems unlikely.

I'm uncertain of the purpose of survival as an end goal. It seems to have no other purpose than to exist and keep replicating/surviving into the future.

I would like to know if matter as we know it can be created out of nothing, although nothing has never been witnessed by Humans there's always something. Logically everything that exists if traced back must have come from absolute nothing. We haven't proved absolute nothing exists though. Of course something coming into existence would appear to be a time based event. So if time doesn't exist then there is no beginning or ending as they are events as a function of time.

Anyway I find the thought of everything existing from absolute nothing extremely puzzling much more so than wondering about existential crisis of the human condition.

I'm not sure how Humans could evade the heat death of the Universe, if that's the actual reality facing us, regardless it's a bold assumption to assume humanity will exist significantly into the future whereby we exist long enough to be there at the end.

I'd say we have a distribution of things to care about, and we should put "avoid heat death of the universe" on the list just as a fun reminder. But (in line with u/Doktor_Wunderbar's sentiments) we shouldn't sink any actually effort into solving it (maybe in 100,000 years).

I think there are limitations to what you advocate, but also a lot of truth there—upvoted to cancel out the downvote.

heath death of the universe is at least of our concerns, there will be a lot more events to survive before that

Its a great goal to have, even if its to the best of our collective knowledge we can *at best* delay the inevitable heat death. But we can stave it off *by a lot* for example by putting out stars (by tearing it apart and turning it into a gas cloud, preserving its energy)

A future governed by chat-oriented interfaces that disintegrate the “blue link” and with it, the current ad-based publishing business model we’ve grown to know and (perhaps not) love.

1. Enters ChatGPT prompt.
2. HERE'S A POP-UP AD
3. Here's your answer.

>I don't know if I think it's profound either, but I do think it's a healthy reminder. Its a good reminder that we don't really understand these algorithms, and that regardless of how human-presenting they are, they are not human and we can't trust them to act in certain ways. Maybe not particularly helpful, but worthwhile none the less (in my opinion).

And this is fair. AI will not act like a human nor will it be completely logical in every aspect. We don't actually know how one will act or react or what its been trained on.

> This has happened to me too, I've suggested exactly the same thing (though admittedly stole the idea from mark Cuban when he guest hosted on a podcast at one point). At this point everything is socialist if it's different than the status quo though so I try to ignore it.

Indeed. I have given up on trying to predict future economies but the current system won't work much longer.

Well, it could also rebound and end in another contraction via the Big Crunch.

This is very close to what is called Omega Point Theology

That also right. My point is exactly that. We need to survive for the simple reason os preventing life from disappearing. It's a human responsibility

Yes, that is a given. I mean that life isn't a given and now that we got the opportunity we need to at least that this change to know with certainty If it's possible to prevent the heat death of the universe, and we need to survive long enough to gather that much knowledge

this is literally not important at all

​

we have so many current issues and existential risks plus even if we start caring about the heat death 1 billion years from now then we would have wasted 0.000000000000000000000000000.........1% of our time. AI will kill us before 2100 stop worrying about far off stuff we never even reach.

Google Glass died for a reason. People didn't want to be constantly recorded by glassholes.

However, I would love wireless screen without camera that can be controlled with a phone. I could watch a movie while I'm on a walk with dog or something.

Exactly. (Edit: misread your post) Until the 2016 elections, Americans on the Left or Right were just (semi) friendly rivals occasionally jabbing each other on the shoulder. "How do you like that old sport!" as Democrats would name a school after Martin Luther King Jr. "Well how about one of these!" Republicans would say as they give teh military a raise.

But then our enemies saw an opportunity: "look at how much Americans depend on social media for their news... and look- there's a new guy on the political scene that has ties with us..." And suddenly hundreds of posts with Spongebob or Lisa Simpson or Spider-man standing in front of a chalkboard started appearing on everybody's timelines.

EDIT: No, it's not that a person isn't allowed to have personal political opinions. It's one of the small things that barely keeps us from becoming a Totalitarian country. It's the information that we ingest that is altered by the Russians/ Chinese.

https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

https://www.wired.com/story/russia-ira-propaganda-senate-report/

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2022/12/27/russia-china-web-wars-divide-americans/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/14/russia-us-politics-social-media-facebook

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA704-1.html

I disagree with your "nothing is given" statement, as the heat death of the universe IS a given. You cant avoid it.

Fortunately, in the short term, this goal is inseparable from the goal of survival. It will be a very, very long time before we have the knowledge to even think about preventing heat death, so we've got to stay alive long enough for that knowledge to accumulate. And convincing people to survive is going to be an easier sell - although recent years have taught us that some people will resist even that.

Really puts into context why Google was scrambling to get its own AI out after ChatGPT.

Also I don't necessarily agree with that. You don't always want to see one result, or you don't always find what you wanted in its entirety from one link only.

This reminds me of two early examples of evolutionary AI design (though I doubt I could find the details, these are from interviews long ago: one was a circuit board that an AI designed which looked non-fictional and that no human would have designed, but it worked. Best guess was the EM of one part was interacting with another.

The other is some guys who were trying to build the lightest possible body for a drone, and set an AI to building it. They 3D printed it and when their buddy who was a veterinarian walked in he said "hey, why do you have a flying squirrel skeleton here?" AI doing what natural selection took millions of years to, running through the iterations in milliseconds rather than generations.

In my perspective this goal Is not as important If:

This is not the only universe and there are many others with complex conscientious life

( Or if the universe doesn't come to an end via heat death but rather collapses in on Itself to generate a new universe with either the same, similar or completely different rules, both "ifs" come to the same conclusion)

Or

Self conscious life is completely common and we are not the only ones to do It

I used ChatGPT for therapy questions thou... I don't trust or like human therapists and also it's free.

The classic 'if you're not with me you're a Russian bot!'. It's all so tiresome.