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ninjadude93 t1_jc23myl wrote

No you absolute idiot how are you this bad at parsing the point lol. Humans do things other than just statistical inference which is the only mode of operation of NNs. Humans are able to logically reason by deduction rather than inference. Your entire first paragraph has nothing to do with what I said try to stay on topic man.

NNs utility comes from the ability to generate a model in an automated fashion. Again, there's no magic here just math and computational power. If you were able to plot all the input data in a high dimensional space and draw a hyperplane through it would get the exact same model output you get through regular training, people just cant visualize more than 3 dimensions so we use NNs to do this instead.

You clearly lack the basic mathematical background to understand how ML works. I suggest starting with some statistics and calculus and going from there so you can intelligently contribute in the future

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limitless__ t1_jc229js wrote

It certainly could, yes. At this point we're back at ground zero in Alzheimer's research. Perhaps once the scientists look at the data without the bogus research the real cause will pop right out and we'll have a potential treatment path in a few years or it could take another 30 years to get where we need to go. There's no way to tell at this point.

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goldygnome t1_jc22618 wrote

Since short sleepers are a tiny percentage, the traits in combination must not lead to more offspring surviving very often vs a regular human.

It might make a difference for animals, but we evolved in a society where we help each other and work as a group. Doing this probably means that less desirable traits stick around.

Take myself for example. I don't have wisdom teeth and I don't get cavities at all. You'd think that would be a huge benefit since bad teeth was a big killer in the past. But no, people like me are a minority. Apparently perfect, long lasting teeth are not a major competitive advantage.

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Surur t1_jc20j8z wrote

> We have specialized portions of the brain that do things other than simple statistical inference

So just because you cant physically see the layout of the neural network you don't think it has a specialist structure? Studies in simpler models have shown that LLMs build physical representations of their world model in their layers, but according to you that is just "a bunch of terms combined together"

> Also its not all that complex, the output from training a NN is just a mathematical model.

Again, if you think LLMs only do "simple statistical inference" then replicate the system without using NNs.

Else just admit your ignorance and move on.

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ninjadude93 t1_jc1zkcj wrote

Sure, thats why its called a neural net because its modeled after human neurons dummy lol but humans don't rely solely on statistical data processing. We have specialized portions of the brain that do things other than simple statistical inference. Maybe pick up some books on the subject?

Ok and? Just because something is complex doesn't automatically imbue it with self awareness or intelligence. Also its not all that complex, the output from training a NN is just a mathematical model. Chatgpt happens to be a model with billions of parameters but its just a bunch of terms combined together. Humans didnt even need to intervene in the creation of the model in this case. Maybe thats a bit too much for you to wrap your brain around though

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goldygnome t1_jc1yjly wrote

I've heard similar lately, that it could be a side effect of the body failing to process glucose as we age, leading to mitochondria damage in brain cells, so in effect it' could be related to diabetes. I don't have details, just seen it mentioned twice now over the past few months from different sources.

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Surur t1_jc1xcxw wrote

> Input is transformed by node weights and passed along between layers getting sequentially transformed by the next weights.

Think, Forrest, think. Isn't that how the human nervous system works? Or are you one of the magic microtubule guys?

> But according to you this means its fully aware AGI right?

I never said that lol. What I am saying is that this is the most complex machine humans have ever made. You don't appear to appreciate this. You are like an idiot who thinks a car works by turning the ignition and then the wheels roll.

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MuForceShoelace t1_jc1wqnu wrote

We discovered a kind of plaque that builds up during alzheimer's so for a while there was a very plausible "so if we clear that out, we cured the disease, right?" that made it seem like the cure was in sight. But then we found drugs that cleared it and it didn't really improve anything. The drug still came out, there was a bunch of fraud where it tried to claim smaller and smaller effects, then just came out as being a totally do nothing drug. So now the research is back to "we have no idea how to treat this"

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ninjadude93 t1_jc1w26o wrote

Congrats you've regurgitated a slightly more technical description of what I said, statistics based word generation. An important piece you missed is the temperature parameter which injects a bit of randomness into the selection of each word from the distribution.

As to your second text block of course we know what happens you just explained it in your first text block. Input is transformed by node weights and passed along between layers getting sequentially transformed by the next weights. It's not magic guy its just mathematics. But according to you this means its fully aware AGI right? Lol jesus you are so far up your own ass

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MoonshineInc t1_jc1v7e3 wrote

Kessler Syndrome or Kessler theory was first coined by a scientist named Donald Kessler in the late 70s. He basically was warning of a catastrophic chain reaction of collisions that created more and more debris. Once the domino effect starts it cannot be stopped and the orbital infrastructure will be ripped apart.

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Surur t1_jc1ue53 wrote

Let me enlighten you.

ChatGPT uses a large neural network with 96 layers, an unknown number of artificial neurons and 175 billion parameters. When you type in a prompt that prompt is broken into tokens, which are passed onto the first layer of the neural network. The first layer (of 96) then processes that token, using a selection of those billions of weights) and generates a vector, which is passed into the next one in turn. This is repeated until you get to the output layers, where you end up with an array of output token possibilities, which will be processed by a decoding algorithm once more to select the optimal combination of tokens, which are then converted back to text and outputted.

Importantly we do not know what happens in those 96 layers of artificial neural network - it's mostly a black box, and if you can explain exactly what happens, feel free to write your paper - I am sure a science prize awaits.

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AtomGalaxy t1_jc1uayz wrote

But, if programs like ChatGPT help people, how will the for-profit healthcare industrial complex in America continue to rake in money to send to Big Pharma and the insurance companies?

Perhaps $3M has been spent over the decades trying to fix my now estranged older sister between rehab, therapy, hospital stays, and law enforcement. That doesn’t even include the destruction she has caused to society and people’s lives. All it did was help turn her into a psychopath that’s able to keep on going harming people and being insane on social media. She’s too far gone now to be taken seriously, but my lived experience very much disagrees with “trust the professionals” and to just keep feeding the beast with more money.

What’s wrong is our lifestyles, our food, our addiction to technology that’s fucking with our minds with their algorithms. It’s like the commercials when I was a kid after you ate your sugary cereal and watched your favorite cartoons that were really infomercials for the toys, only to then sit all day playing Nintendo getting fat. It’s that times 100 these days. They’ll put kids on drugs for anything. We’re being chemically handcuffed just to get us to comply with the system.

What we need is sunshine, our hands in the dirt growing plants, real fruits and vegetables, walkable communities, and above all a lot more of our lives outdoors not looking at screens.

Show me a doctor in America who will prescribe that for a teenager before Adderall.

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JefferyTheQuaxly t1_jc1s4o5 wrote

the boomer generation is unaturally wealthy. millenials are poorer than our parents solely because of how much wealth the older generations are currently hoarding. on top of the elderly making one of our biggest segments of our population since a ton of children were born after WW2. also on top of science advancing at one of fastest rates in human history making it possible to start funding these crazy research projects or methods of increasing longevity.

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Kelsey473 t1_jc1oojg wrote

Maybe not but Nurse-Robots observation is correct .. Evolution does NOT work good/bad it works on selection pressure, so the tiny number of people with the genes you talk of would need to breed VASTLY more than those without

SO

What the selection pressure to allow that to occur? If not then no the genes wont spread

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Fishermansgal t1_jc1mnio wrote

I've been reading a lot about metabolism since my mother's death to type 2 diabetes. In those discussions, Alzheimer's disease is infrequently described as type 3 diabetes. I think maybe the cure for type 2 diabetes and many cases of Alzheimer's is so unpalatable that they've decided not to discuss it.

If we all suddenly stopped buying food-like products much of our economy would collapse.

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ninjadude93 t1_jc1jucv wrote

So you dont understand what it is. Thanks for clearing that up. Chatgpt works by selecting the most likely sequence of words given the preceeding word. In case you're not sure what that means, it's using statistics not traditional symbolic logical reasoning.

At no point did I imply it would be easy or feasible to replicate without a NN and that has no relevance to my previous comment lol but you seem to lack a fundamental understanding of how NNs actually work so I can't blame you for getting confused.

Maybe you need to do a little self reflection on your ignorance lol

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Doompug0477 t1_jc1ibt0 wrote

"Yes, have met this person before. Here is their name and relevant background. You want to bring up these items in conversation. "

(Under my breath: Thank you Jesus"

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