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Thank you...there seems to be a misconception with some that it's just gonna be free money with no strings attached.

All that you described is normal now but I can see problems when they dictate what you can eat, how far you can travel (and if you can travel), and what you can say online.

The concern is that if you're rich you won't have to play by those rules...as if you can eat a fat steak on a private jet while skipping your latest booster shot because you're scared of side effects.

There's already comedy videos about it

https://youtu.be/SZ2YJCg8Ess

This one is probably most dystopian:

https://youtu.be/UrEUzKTt7j0

It's fascinating to think what life would be like but tbh I hardly think it'll be that extreme of a dystopia and far from the utopia people imagine.

You need to breath and keep thinking. You havent reached the conclusion yet, you just got excited and thought you reached the conclusion. But conclusions are illusory, history never stops turning.

AI can and likely will become an open use consumer system. That doesnt mean that the elite class cannot monopolise its use.

My favourite historical analogue is grain milling. Technology spreads fast and by the medieval ages in Europe any peasant community with access to flowing water could make their own water mill to get flour. However, across much of Europe it was illegal to mill your own grain. You had to take it to the landowners mill, who would then charge you for its use.

AI of course is not exactly a grain mill. But advanced AI will eventually be able to be treated as means of (intellectual) production. And elites will always mobilise to monopolise these means, whatever means necessary.

Eventually using an AI without going through a middle man will be illegal and you will only be able to use it for sanctioned purposes. Criminals will use AI regardless until eventually terrorists figure out how to use it to hurt people. Then the state will justify using violence to crack down on AI use, for example drone striking places where illegal AIs or data centres are hosted. All speculation of course.

I see no problem with the principle.

In most countries family benefits are tied to certain requirements like school attendance and health care checks for example. Documented. If you don't meet set obligations, no money for you. That is kind of social credit.

In a job, everybody is required to meet some standards to be compensated. Even in investment and property ownership you cannot behave any way you want, there are consequences.

Eventually, nobody here on earth is truly free, whoever we deal with. Within the democratic process, we wlll set up base rules for UBI also.

Of course people will be pissed that the government tells them what to do. But so does your boss or costumer. Your neighbour, family, business partner, community. It's called life.

>it'll just give everyone a little bit more of a breathing room

"Sir, I'm going to have to revoke your breathing rights. You are two months behind on your mandatory $250 monthly breathable air fees. Now back to your daily stressful life!"

Afaik the lobbying from the fossil fuel industry pushed bush jr into subsidizing it, which was sadly continued by every administration afterwards.

The funny thing is that the rich actually support UBI...look at what the World Economic Forum says about it.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/covid-19-universal-basic-income-social-inequality/

COVID was the trial run and mistakes were made...lessons were learned. They want UBI tied to social credit scores, vaccine passes, and other methods to keep people in line.

I basically think what it'll boil down to are three classes of people:

-The wealthy that don't need UBI so they can fly wherever, eat whatever, and not have to abide by all the rules because they're rich.

-The compliant who conform to whatever is required to get UBI which could mean many things...all tracked by social credit score.

-Luddites on the fringes of society that don't want UBI or the rules that come with it so they basically come together as a commune (travelling gypsies) as the state chases them down to track and monitor everything they do.

You're being unfair to ChatGPT lol

Yeah right, this would happen and the following year Nvidia would release their Zero-Point energy graphic cards and we'd be draining the sun in no time.

Would you be against social credit scores to obtain UBI?

I think I've identified the elephant in the room which is government control.

Even if you abolish capitalism you still have the state...

I don't think the government is just gonna give free money with no strings attached.

They will tie UBI to things like a social credit score, no unpaid taxes, no warrants, up to date vaccines and health screenings if you want to travel...etc.

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It's not nonsense. If people sell EBT for drug money outside the system you should expect the government to enforce controls on who gets UBI and how they can use it.

Social credit scores, no outstanding taxes, no warrants...etc.

If you think the government is just gonna give free shit with no strings attached you're fooling yourself.

Any existing therapies for treating eczema or other skin problems? Can be genetic

Im not reading all that since you started out with nonsense. Stop lying, stop going to extremes to try to make a point, then come back.

I'm sure that was tough, you're going after the wrong enemy. Also where did I say anything about Marxism? So many assumptions.

This so much this. So long as rent doesn't go up because of the ubi. This is exactly what should happen

Acting like $700 a month will fix everything in our economic model is foolish.

What good is UBI when people can still go bankrupt when they get sick?

Universal healthcare is a better deal.

Pretending that UBI will unleash some form of utopian society is far too optimistic given the level of economic inequality we are seeing.

You haven't explained why I'm wrong...and in fact you look foolish calling me lazy.

Here's why:

Say I am lazy...what measures will be put in place for people like me who will use UBI to smoke and fuck all day?

People already sell EBT for drug money in an underground economy. Do you think the government (which has already locked us down and tried to force vaccine mandates) will just give me free money without some form of control or regulatory framework to prevent abuse?

Look at the abuse and fraud in the PPP program...you think they're gonna repeat those same mistakes without some form of control like blockchain or a CBDC system that tracks every transaction with the capability to audit and inspect on the level of an electron microscope?

All I'm saying is that UBI will come with strings attached and serious controls to prevent abuse and the free rider problem.

To expect the government to give people free money with no strings attached is asinine...

I don't think that's the explanation for why, but I'm no shipping expert

Brother all these arguments are just made up from the same group of people. You keep falling for their same shit. I bet you believe their wealth will trickle down one day too! And just because you clocked in for almost a year doesnt mean youre not lazy.

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I think a Universal Basic Income is just that - basic income. Lots of people are still going to want more: prestige from esteemed jobs, stature in their communities, feelings of professional accomplishment, ownership over their own businesses and labor, they'll want nicer cars, bigger boobs and better homes, academic choices for their children, vacations, clothes, security, nose jobs, etc etc.

A UBI can give people a small safety net.

$250 a month can mean the difference between rent or homelessness, paying a car note that's essential to getting to a job, being able to clothe your growing children. For others, it can mean a monthly membership write off to an Equinox gym. At the end of the day, I think people will want to work, it'll just give everyone a little bit more of a breathing room.

Yep. The stock market is more democratic and accessible than ever, and you don't need to be a pro or pay any managers thanks it index ETFs.