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Rofel_Wodring OP t1_jbp2wt5 wrote
Reply to comment by Kiizmod0 in As a techno-nihilist who thinks that AI is our only way out of dystopia: by Rofel_Wodring
You won't need to. I didn't say anything about our morals getting better. What I'm saying is that AI will destroy the power differential between tyrant and slave that pretty much every dystopian vision of the future relies upon.
What's the point of Gattaca babies when the AI-Neocortex Cloud is way better than anything you can engineer?
What's the point of owning the entire news media if we have millions of independent AI journalists working for free?
If the tyrants can't keep AI on a leash (and our economic and political situation guarantees they can't), the only way they can control us if by controlling certain resources. Which raises the question of how they plan to do this if any unitary or oligarchic intelligence will be intellectually crushed by the hoi polloi's millions of lesser AI.
FillThisEmptyCup t1_jbp2fc7 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in As a techno-nihilist who thinks that AI is our only way out of dystopia: by Rofel_Wodring
I had no clue what the OP was trying to say anyway. In the old days, we'd call this a word salad. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
One central premise they have is decentralization. They think AI will be decentralized and distributed.
Yes, that was a founding principle of the internet or maybe the later worldwideweb; dream of the interconnect net with many different but roughly equal nodes, but I don't see where any of the historical trends since then point that way. We went from free-wheeling usenet to forums to superwebsites like reddit or facebook or youtube capturing and moderating 90% of the conversations, making an Overton window of their own -- from many outlets to a relative few with much more censorship and locks on what can be said than the early wild west days of the www.
Same with hosting in general, where there used be 10s of thousands, with the majority of the net in some superdatacenter owned by a few big names like amazon with even big names like netflix running on it.
Similarly, even when someone is using AI, right now it's in the hands and total control of somebody that has the computing power to train it. Since Moore's law is effectively over, I don't know why anyone would think computing power in 40 years will be so far advanced per $$$$ as the same 40-ish time span of 1980 to now. It'll be faster, sure, just not the same orders of magnitude difference we have experienced before. I'm using a 2012 computer (Linux) that I would never have dreamed of staying on half as long in the 80s or 90s or 00s. It's fast enough and speeds for what I used it for haven't improved too much (different needs will have different POVs ie games). Hence, no unconnected AI in everyone's pocket. Even if it were to exist, the big boys with bigger datacenters can still afford/train a much better AI than in someone's 2060 iPhone/implant will have. Just like today, more processing power, more dataset, etc.
And simply having AI is not a missile, or a gun, or anything else. Having AI Jason Borne without military hardware doesn't mean anything. Sure, you can 3d prints stuff but everything has limits and industrial processes can make things better than some garage tinkering in a lot of these cases.
I think OP was trying to paint some technopunk future. I'm sure the US will fail sometime in the future, though I hesitate to name a date. It will be a mundane thing like debt and loss of currency reserve. Not some band of geek brothers forging alliances to bring the corrupt system down.
Rofel_Wodring OP t1_jbp26hs wrote
Reply to comment by Josh12345_ in As a techno-nihilist who thinks that AI is our only way out of dystopia: by Rofel_Wodring
People keep talking about AI as if it was this one product we produced on a shelf, and if we don't like it, we're stuck with it.
That may be the case for now, but it'll get to the point where even if the best-in-class models only comes from two or three other states/companies, there will be dozens if not hundreds of comparable AI tools that aren't privately owned.
So, again, it'll get to the point where some authoritarian government could go "muahaha, bow before TyrantBot's massive intellect, engineered by my scientist thralls" but we'll just roll our eyes and just print out an additional, slightly less-capable AI to thwart it.
The point is: it won't matter. It'll be out of any unitary or small-group intelligence's hands, benevolent or authoritarian. There's a reason why elephants are afraid of bees.
Aljhaqu t1_jbp20ub wrote
Reply to NASA tracks a newly discovered asteroid that has a 'small chance' of hitting Earth in 2046 by ethereal3xp
A bit late, I hoped it could help us with our situation...
Out of jokes, while a high probability, I Find it quite unlikely that it could become a menace for the planet... As it has already being demonstrated the human technological capability for the change in the trajectory of celestial bodies such as asteroids and meteorites by the use of lasers and other means.
nomoreimfull t1_jbp1sf9 wrote
Reply to comment by coffeeinvenice in Researchers Say They Managed to Pull Quantum Energy From a Vacuum by Woke_Soul
Bitcoin miners: hold my red bull
Rofel_Wodring OP t1_jbp1k92 wrote
Reply to comment by Some-Ad9778 in As a techno-nihilist who thinks that AI is our only way out of dystopia: by Rofel_Wodring
Doesn't have to be for my prediction. It just needs to get good enough that the masses don't need to rely on a particular state or corporation to continue advancing its capabilities. It just needs to get to the stage of "hey, Jailbroken And Stolen Siri, using this 3D Printer and these materials, create for us a BCI wearable that will connect our neocortexes to our rebel cloud service that I also want you to build".
Which I think it will.
Rofel_Wodring OP t1_jbp0v2y wrote
Reply to comment by porknwings in As a techno-nihilist who thinks that AI is our only way out of dystopia: by Rofel_Wodring
No empathy is required in my prediction. AI isn't going to save us per-se, what it will do is make our previous modes of existence and government -- to include autocratic monopoly of the means of production -- completely unsustainable.
It breaks the monopoly of force by destroying our ability to meaningfully own anything. AI breaks the chain between resource and product in a way to make old notions of ownership impossible.
Rofel_Wodring OP t1_jbp071s wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in As a techno-nihilist who thinks that AI is our only way out of dystopia: by Rofel_Wodring
>While military physical forces like drones have their place, to quote Starship Troopers, "If you disable their hand, they cannot push a button." My point on cyberwarefare is that war will be economic, informational, and infrastructure disabling.
And my point is that the way our AI is developing, even the very idea of having a state-run military is nonsensical. What exactly is the point of having an East African Union Hacking Team if some random peasant can just push a button and have a hacking team just as good as anything your state (such as it was) could put up?
It becomes even more nonsensical if we're post-scarcity at that point, meaning that not even land and energy become things worth theoretically fighting over.
DeNir8 t1_jbp04hw wrote
Reply to comment by Drahy in Denmark will be first country to import, store other countries' captured CO2 | "Our subsoil contains a storage potential far larger than our own emissions," said Danish Climate Minister Lars Aagaard. by chrisdh79
Howso? Any documentation on that?
Anyhoot. The government has temporarily removed taxes while the extreme tarif for transport is being introduced. But the taxes will be added, and much higer, this summer.
Also, there is now a penalty for using electricity in peak hours.
According to https://www.bolius.dk/elpriser the avg. price right now is 2.86dkk or $0,40.
Edit:According to this https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Denmark/electricity_prices/ denmark is by far the most expensive. Corporate greed?
Drahy t1_jboz5yo wrote
Reply to comment by DeNir8 in Denmark will be first country to import, store other countries' captured CO2 | "Our subsoil contains a storage potential far larger than our own emissions," said Danish Climate Minister Lars Aagaard. by chrisdh79
I'll be paying 1.05 krone or $0.15 per kWh tonight including everything here in Denmark.
tanrgith t1_jboyzgx wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Denmark will be first country to import, store other countries' captured CO2 | "Our subsoil contains a storage potential far larger than our own emissions," said Danish Climate Minister Lars Aagaard. by chrisdh79
Shipping is not carbon intensive relative to other methods of transport
JC2535 t1_jboytp2 wrote
Reply to NASA tracks a newly discovered asteroid that has a 'small chance' of hitting Earth in 2046 by ethereal3xp
Maybe Elon will get bored with Twitter by then and prep a rocket for intercept… but I doubt it.
Temporary_Sir_3050 t1_jboygrw wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in As a techno-nihilist who thinks that AI is our only way out of dystopia: by Rofel_Wodring
It's like chatgpt wrote it
Voyage_of_Roadkill t1_jbox0hk wrote
Reply to NASA tracks a newly discovered asteroid that has a 'small chance' of hitting Earth in 2046 by ethereal3xp
Being the size of a pool, I wonder if any of it will even remain after entering the atmosphere. The coolest part of this story is they spotted something over a million miles away and have 23 years to intercept it and try to divert or capture it as an experiment.
Kiizmod0 t1_jbovxr0 wrote
Brother, we, humans, has never been able to define in a reward function beyond material gains for over collective existence, and yet we as sentient fuckers can actually grasp ethics, kindness, love etc, and we don't optimize those.
How the heck do you want to numerize those immaterial goodies for an agent which is not sentient at all, to being you out of dystopia.
[deleted] t1_jbov48r wrote
Reply to comment by DoctorBlock in SUVs emitted more carbon dioxide last year than most countries by filosoful
You right. Got me good.
DoctorBlock t1_jbouxv1 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in SUVs emitted more carbon dioxide last year than most countries by filosoful
The softest people in the world are always the ones talking about how soft people are.
DoctorBlock t1_jbounkv wrote
Oh wow another article shifting climate change blame away from corporations. What a surprise.
jerry_357 t1_jbou9b5 wrote
My Hemi powerd SUV gives me 14 mpg. 🤣 wouldn’t trade it for anything! FTW!
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Reply to comment by Vitztlampaehecatl in SUVs emitted more carbon dioxide last year than most countries by filosoful
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[deleted] t1_jbp2xuz wrote
Reply to NASA tracks a newly discovered asteroid that has a 'small chance' of hitting Earth in 2046 by ethereal3xp
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