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herscher12 t1_jbh9yyw wrote

Reply to A group of researchers has achieved a breakthrough in secure communications by developing an algorithm that conceals sensitive information so effectively that it is impossible to detect that anything has been hidden by thebelsnickle1991

"It could also allow investigative journalists and humanitarian aid workers to communicate easier in some countries." It could also be used by spys and terrorists but that wouldnt sound as good

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ConscienceRound t1_jbh11mh wrote

Reply to With A.i advancements. What are some skills everybody should be learning now to better live in the future? by Moon_Devonshire

A lot of folks are gonna say "Tech" because it's a booming industry. But to me, I would argue it's not which industries are going to boom, it's which industries aren't going to shrink their staff size due to AI. For example, if coding can be done twice as fast in the future with AI, then why wouldn't they only then need half the staff? Not every business will think like that but many will, especially in an economic crunch.

So, I would say the things AI nor physical automation definitely can't replace are trades. Plumbers, electricians, builders etc... Any job that is physical but not predictable. Factory work and warehouse work therefore doesn't qualify.

Less firmly, but I still think it's a safe bet to say that industries requiring empathy won't be in trouble anytime soon. Social workers, counsellors, etc... If anything with the increased isolation and separation of society, I expect these industries to grow. Talking to a digital tablet in a foam room is no substitute.

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lastone2finish t1_jbh10rr wrote

Reply to With A.i advancements. What are some skills everybody should be learning now to better live in the future? by Moon_Devonshire

Depends.. what kind of job you want to do? Any thing specific you like to do?

But you and everyone needs to relax a bit, AI advancement isn’t in the point that will replace grocery stores workers any time soon. It’s all too fresh and expensive… to hire a person like you is cheaper and more efficient.

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Strict_Jacket3648 t1_jbguo7q wrote

Reply to Is nuclear war more likely after Russia’s suspension of the New START treaty? The nation has spurned a major arms-control agreement, pushing nuclear powers toward a worrying lack of regulation, says non-proliferation researcher. by filosoful

IF Putin calls on a nuclear strike I think one of his generals will take him out, they also have families that are safe....for now...but nobody is if nuclear weapons are used and they are very much aware of that.

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SandAndAlum t1_jbgdazz wrote

Reply to comment by mhornberger in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

More semantic games. Making a thing or agriculture isn't exponential growth. Neither is a bounded increase in consumption in only those places with poor quality of life. Straw men are also not relevant.

Have a read of your comments there and reflect on how disgusting and disingenuous they are.

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mhornberger t1_jbg9xqj wrote

Reply to comment by SandAndAlum in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

No, light bulbs are a decent proxy for economic output. Their purchase and use track with economic development, literacy (kids can study after the sun goes down), energy use, and population size. As does food production, scaling as it does with population, though it can be reduced per capita with technological improvements.

And yes, I have seen degrowthers lament declines in infant mortality, and agricultural improvements like the green revolution, precisely because they led to population increase.

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SandAndAlum t1_jbg95il wrote

Reply to comment by mhornberger in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

Now you're trying to play semantic games by switching out the meaning of the word growth. Seems like the condescension was validated.

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mhornberger t1_jbg88et wrote

Reply to comment by SandAndAlum in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

> Which is the degrowth premise... well done. You got there.

Condescension is not fruitful here. Degrowth is not the mere recognition that we were never going to build infinite anything, or have infinite people. Not because we have to stop growth now, but because growth was never going to go to literal infinity. That's not a thing.

>Growth needs to end because it's physically impossible.

That's like saying we need to stop growing food now because it's physically impossible to have infinite food. That I shouldn't try to cure an illness or avoid death today, since it's impossible to live for infinite time. We should stop making light bulbs, because we can't have infinite light bulbs or infinite light. I can't believe people are so dumb as to think we can have infinity light bulbs! Except they don't, and it's a dumb argument. "We need to stop growing, because you can't grow to infinity" doesn't make any sense. The clause after the comma, after the "because," doesn't have any connection to the need to deliberately stop growth now.

Just like "you have to die eventually, so you should die today" doesn't make any sense. It's a given that humans will go extinct eventually, and the sun will stop shining eventually, and the earth will be sterile eventually.

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SandAndAlum t1_jbg7fly wrote

Reply to comment by mhornberger in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

> Except much of what looks like an exponential is really an s-curve. We were never going to scale to infinite people, calories, land use, energy use, etc. We aren't going to build infinite solar panels.

Which is the degrowth premise... well done. You got there. Growth needs to end because it's physically impossible. And it needs to end soon because we're exactly where we were with the waste heat, land use and albedo decrease budget as we were with the CO2 budget when scientists started saying that maybe burning everything was a bad idea.

You've also switched back to talking about what sane countries do which is make and recycle monosilicon PV. The US industry is significant portion CdTe. You can't pretend that a monosilicon recycling industry is relevant.

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mhornberger t1_jbg6dxj wrote

Reply to comment by SandAndAlum in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

> Exponentials always beat polynomials. >

Except much of what looks like an exponential is really an s-curve. We were never going to scale to infinite people, calories, land use, energy use, etc. We aren't going to build infinite solar panels.

And that panels are already recyclable isn't a "talking point," rather it's the state of reality. "But it's not mandated" just shifts the goalposts. And even if recycling was mandated, someone would say "but not all will be!" (which is true) and that will be the supposed "exponential" pointed to that will doom us all.

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SandAndAlum t1_jbg4b6r wrote

Reply to comment by mhornberger in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

Exponentials always beat polynomials.

Your premise that the technology solves it rather than delaying it by a couple of decades is faulty.

That said, the talking points are still wrong (except for the US industry which uses different materials and doesn't mandate recycling. It's comparatively tiny though, not even enough to meet a fraction of the local need).

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mhornberger t1_jbffd7p wrote

Reply to comment by mafco in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

This is unfortunately one of those subjects where the right-wing talking points and the degrowth talking points are exactly the same. Some would rather the world burn than for technology to be the way we address climate problems but there still be capitalism.

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Sarcasm-n-Caffeine t1_jbfecrj wrote

Reply to comment by ghostcatzero in A group of researchers has achieved a breakthrough in secure communications by developing an algorithm that conceals sensitive information so effectively that it is impossible to detect that anything has been hidden by thebelsnickle1991

Nope, i learned about MK ultra before it was declassified. I'm just not buying the fact that they've had access to a technology thats only been patented for less than 6 months. Just because I sincerely believe the government is rotten through and through, doesn't mean I'm gonna believe everything, every internet troll pulls out of his ass.

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FuturologyBot t1_jbfb63p wrote

Reply to Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mafco:

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, a massive clean energy and electric vehicle bill passed by congress and signed into law last August, is much, much more than just a greenhouse gas emissions reduction policy.

The genius of the bill was incorporation of industrial policy to incentivize the growth of US domestic supply chains for everything from batteries to electric vehicles to solar panels. So far the response from industry has been almost breathtaking with a flurry of new factory announcements, tens of billions of dollars in new manufacturing investments and 100,000 new jobs so far. The ultimate goal is re-industrializion of the US economy and millions of new good paying middle class and whit collar jobs.

Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/11m11re/reviewing_the_us_solar_panel_value_chain/jbf6ik0/

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mafco OP t1_jbf8avy wrote

Reply to comment by Some-Ad9778 in Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

Yes. Panels are already being recycled. But with a 30-40 year+ lifetime we don't have to worry too much about that right now. It's just yet another right-wing anti-renewables talking point to muddy the waters and justify more obstruction of progress.

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Some-Ad9778 t1_jbf7h4i wrote

Reply to Reviewing the U.S. solar panel value chain manufacturing capacity. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), an energized solar industry is aiming high and envisioning a future where the U.S. has a robust domestic energy supply chain. by mafco

Does the solar industry have to plan on recycling all of these panels when they reach their shelf life or is this just capitalism as usual were they are going to churn out as much product without considering the environmental costs?

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