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Null_and_Lloyd t1_jb3y4b4 wrote
Reply to Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
All data, records and history should be processed through AI. There is no way humanly possible to process or even remember all factors that could lead to an accurate analysis. Don't flip out, MD's. It is a tool to help in diagnosis. No slight to your skills or intelligence.
seriousbeef t1_jb3x390 wrote
Reply to comment by Current_Side_4024 in Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
Tech guru Vinod Khosla of Sun Microsystems has said that radiologists will be obsolete in 5 years.
Unfortunately that was more than 5 years ago and he was so incredibly wrong it is hilarious. People with no idea what radiologists actually do and just how complex medical imaging interpretation is love to jump to the conclusion that AI is automatically better. One day I’m sure it could be but it will be a while longer. Until then it will augment us and make us better at our jobs like this example in breast imaging.
Vinod doubled down in 2019 and said any radiologist still practicing in 10 years will be killling patients every day which is hilarious because I just don’t do that much work. I would kill someone once a month at most.
Edit: the other thing is all these companies charge for their service. It all costs money. AI isn’t free.
SmokedHamm t1_jb3wz6n wrote
Reply to Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
Or it’s a way for those pervert robot overloads to get their virtual hands on free boob pics
-Ch4s3- t1_jb3t2nx wrote
Reply to comment by Current_Side_4024 in Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
I used to work along side someone who worked on this kind of problem. The issues was then and probably still is that there isn’t enough good and labeled training data. You can’t just hoover up every breast cancer image in the world, they’re locked away on servers in hospital basements and belong to the patients (at least in the US) and every country has different laws about using this stuff for research, much less a commercial system. Some national health services have tried this with their own data and results have so far been unimpressive.
TheCh0rt t1_jb3qoob wrote
Reply to comment by DescriptionWise6715 in At the time of its 2176 quadricentennial, what will American society and technology look like? by artofterm
So, pretty much the first act of Interstellar.
tigerkingsam t1_jb3q3y4 wrote
Reply to Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
This is old news, people have already implemented deep learning models to detect cancer. The problem right now is getting more data, it’s all protected and regulated.
rippierippo t1_jb3pbxs wrote
Reply to At the time of its 2176 quadricentennial, what will American society and technology look like? by artofterm
Life will be fantastic. People will have everything at their disposal. They will live long lives, may be 150-200 years due to medical advancements. Most of everything will have been automated. It is like you are taken care of by the society cradle to grave.
katholique_boi69 t1_jb3nwmp wrote
Reply to At the time of its 2176 quadricentennial, what will American society and technology look like? by artofterm
Much more interested to imagine the US in 2076. I (and/or we) may be alive for that.
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DescriptionWise6715 t1_jb3lda9 wrote
Reply to At the time of its 2176 quadricentennial, what will American society and technology look like? by artofterm
Probably a lot fewer of us due to climate change. Technology, well it will probably slow down as well. Lots of war destruction due to resource shortages, less arable land, and higher ocean levels. Pretty bleak. Of course I could be wrong and we invent something that can reverse climate change and save the planet, just like in a movie. Doubtful, but that's what we have going for us.
Wipperwill1 t1_jb3ko8j wrote
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To see how wrong any prediction would be for 50 years into the future, do the following :
Look back 50 years and see how accurate they were predicting now. I want my damn transporters, flying cars and jet packs. You can keep your 1984 though.
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zerogravitas365 t1_jb3jdzj wrote
Reply to Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
TBF they did make similar clams about expert systems (older readers may remember this form of AI) in limited diagnostic fields back in the 80's. Modern AI that can has the storage and processing power to chomp through a huge pile of imaging data and has adaptive abilities should be really rather good at this sort of thing. There must be a huge volume of training data (potentially) available given the national screening programs that take place in various parts of the world. These claims seem quite reasonable to me.
Aman4672 t1_jb3igdh wrote
Reply to Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
More effective than doctors??? I bet an ai that just wants to look at boobs wrote this./s
Deepfriedwithcheese t1_jb3a5tv wrote
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IBM’s Watson has been doing this sort of thing for awhile now:
AdmiralKurita t1_jb39t7w wrote
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I think we heard this all before, AI can be good at analyzing images, perhaps arriving at judgments that are more accurate than professionals. But, we are decades away from replacing radiologists who know the nuances of the medical theories required to interpret the images.
rogert2 t1_jb39f47 wrote
Reply to Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
This is a really good idea.
Human doctors have a worse detection rate than you'd want, but not for the reason you'd think: they aren't incompetent, it's that humans are really bad at recognition tasks when the thing they are looking for is rare.
To illustrate: if I gave you 5 x-rays and told you that exactly one of them definitely has cancer, you'll find it. But if I give you 500 x-rays and zero promises about whether any of them have cancer, you'll be less reliable.
This is true whether or not the human is tired from a "long shift." It has to do with the way humans pay attention, and how our expectations influence what we observe. False-negatives go down as the sample size gets lower, or if the incidence increases. If 1% of the 500 x-rays have cancer, a human may only spot 3 or 4 of the 5. But if there are 50 with cancer, the human detection rate increases.
AI won't have this problem.
(Source: an intro psych class I took, which actually used breast-cancer detection as the vehicle for studying human attention.)
Current_Side_4024 t1_jb36s06 wrote
Reply to comment by hvgotcodes in Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
Yea I’m pretty sure we could replace all that work with AI tomorrow and would save millions of lives…but doctors gotta have McMansions so we’re gonna take twenty years to make the transition instead
hvgotcodes t1_jb3611d wrote
Reply to Artificial intelligence could soon be widely used to detect breast cancer — and may be more effective than doctors at doing so, study says by Gari_305
Isn’t this known, that AI image recognition is incredibly accurate? Hopefully will expand access to health care, lower costs, and aid early detection for many or all forms of cancer.
Knackered_lot t1_jb2uhm0 wrote
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"The grid is far more stable in voltage and frequency than an isolated system"
You show clear indication of not knowing anything about this subject 🙂
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From the article
>The ever-growing wave of artificial intelligence technology is continuing to expand into the field of medicine, as several clinics across the globe begin experimenting with AI to help doctors detect breast cancer.
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>Hungary has been one of the largest and earliest adopters of the technology, as at least five hospitals or clinics that perform thousands of breast cancer scans per year have used AI programs since 2021, according to the New York Times. The success of using AI to detect cancer in the Hungarian clinics has inspired doctors in England, Scotland, and Finland to also experiment with the technology, per the Times.
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>In a study published last year that charted an AI program's ability to identify breast cancer in 250,000 scans, the technology was found to be as effective, if not more so, than a human radiologist, and was also able to read scans more quickly overall.
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>The study concluded that incorporating the technologies into the medical field could reduce the workload of radiologists by having an automated system that can provide a second opinion quickly and accurately.
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Rogermcfarley t1_jb45c2r wrote
Reply to comment by katholique_boi69 in At the time of its 2176 quadricentennial, what will American society and technology look like? by artofterm
I would be 106 by then. Unlikely for me to live that long unless there's some major anti aging advances in the next 10-20 years.