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Null_and_Lloyd t1_jb3y4b4 wrote

All data, records and history should be processed through AI. There is no way humanly possible to process or even remember all factors that could lead to an accurate analysis. Don't flip out, MD's. It is a tool to help in diagnosis. No slight to your skills or intelligence.

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seriousbeef t1_jb3x390 wrote

Tech guru Vinod Khosla of Sun Microsystems has said that radiologists will be obsolete in 5 years.

Unfortunately that was more than 5 years ago and he was so incredibly wrong it is hilarious. People with no idea what radiologists actually do and just how complex medical imaging interpretation is love to jump to the conclusion that AI is automatically better. One day I’m sure it could be but it will be a while longer. Until then it will augment us and make us better at our jobs like this example in breast imaging.

Vinod doubled down in 2019 and said any radiologist still practicing in 10 years will be killling patients every day which is hilarious because I just don’t do that much work. I would kill someone once a month at most.

Edit: the other thing is all these companies charge for their service. It all costs money. AI isn’t free.

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-Ch4s3- t1_jb3t2nx wrote

I used to work along side someone who worked on this kind of problem. The issues was then and probably still is that there isn’t enough good and labeled training data. You can’t just hoover up every breast cancer image in the world, they’re locked away on servers in hospital basements and belong to the patients (at least in the US) and every country has different laws about using this stuff for research, much less a commercial system. Some national health services have tried this with their own data and results have so far been unimpressive.

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DescriptionWise6715 t1_jb3lda9 wrote

Probably a lot fewer of us due to climate change. Technology, well it will probably slow down as well. Lots of war destruction due to resource shortages, less arable land, and higher ocean levels. Pretty bleak. Of course I could be wrong and we invent something that can reverse climate change and save the planet, just like in a movie. Doubtful, but that's what we have going for us.

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zerogravitas365 t1_jb3jdzj wrote

TBF they did make similar clams about expert systems (older readers may remember this form of AI) in limited diagnostic fields back in the 80's. Modern AI that can has the storage and processing power to chomp through a huge pile of imaging data and has adaptive abilities should be really rather good at this sort of thing. There must be a huge volume of training data (potentially) available given the national screening programs that take place in various parts of the world. These claims seem quite reasonable to me.

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AdmiralKurita t1_jb39t7w wrote

I think we heard this all before, AI can be good at analyzing images, perhaps arriving at judgments that are more accurate than professionals. But, we are decades away from replacing radiologists who know the nuances of the medical theories required to interpret the images.

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rogert2 t1_jb39f47 wrote

This is a really good idea.

Human doctors have a worse detection rate than you'd want, but not for the reason you'd think: they aren't incompetent, it's that humans are really bad at recognition tasks when the thing they are looking for is rare.

To illustrate: if I gave you 5 x-rays and told you that exactly one of them definitely has cancer, you'll find it. But if I give you 500 x-rays and zero promises about whether any of them have cancer, you'll be less reliable.

This is true whether or not the human is tired from a "long shift." It has to do with the way humans pay attention, and how our expectations influence what we observe. False-negatives go down as the sample size gets lower, or if the incidence increases. If 1% of the 500 x-rays have cancer, a human may only spot 3 or 4 of the 5. But if there are 50 with cancer, the human detection rate increases.

AI won't have this problem.

(Source: an intro psych class I took, which actually used breast-cancer detection as the vehicle for studying human attention.)

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FuturologyBot t1_jb2tpt0 wrote

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305:


From the article

>The ever-growing wave of artificial intelligence technology is continuing to expand into the field of medicine, as several clinics across the globe begin experimenting with AI to help doctors detect breast cancer.
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>Hungary has been one of the largest and earliest adopters of the technology, as at least five hospitals or clinics that perform thousands of breast cancer scans per year have used AI programs since 2021, according to the New York Times. The success of using AI to detect cancer in the Hungarian clinics has inspired doctors in England, Scotland, and Finland to also experiment with the technology, per the Times.
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>In a study published last year that charted an AI program's ability to identify breast cancer in 250,000 scans, the technology was found to be as effective, if not more so, than a human radiologist, and was also able to read scans more quickly overall.
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>The study concluded that incorporating the technologies into the medical field could reduce the workload of radiologists by having an automated system that can provide a second opinion quickly and accurately.


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