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gaudiocomplex t1_j9czm28 wrote

This is a SPECTACULARLY terrible take. Maybe not #3 but the rest is so bad. 😂

OP: you're talking about AI alignment and yes, currently there's no way to prevent AI from killing us all if we were to develop AGI. The AI community talks a lot about this at lesswrong.com. I recommend going there instead of listening to idiots here.

Here's a fun one

Favorite part:

>"The concrete example I usually use here is nanotech, because there's been pretty detailed analysis of what definitely look like physically attainable lower bounds on what should be possible with nanotech, and those lower bounds are sufficient to carry the point. My lower-bound model of "how a sufficiently powerful intelligence would kill everyone, if it didn't want to not do that" is that it gets access to the Internet, emails some DNA sequences to any of the many many online firms that will take a DNA sequence in the email and ship you back proteins, and bribes/persuades some human who has no idea they're dealing with an AGI to mix proteins in a beaker, which then form a first-stage nanofactory which can build the actual nanomachinery. (Back when I was first deploying this visualization, the wise-sounding critics said "Ah, but how do you know even a superintelligence could solve the protein folding problem, if it didn't already have planet-sized supercomputers?" but one hears less of this after the advent of AlphaFold 2, for some odd reason.) The nanomachinery builds diamondoid bacteria, that replicate with solar power and atmospheric CHON, maybe aggregate into some miniature rockets or jets so they can ride the jetstream to spread across the Earth's atmosphere, get into human bloodstreams and hide, strike on a timer. Losing a conflict with a high-powered cognitive system looks at least as deadly as "everybody on the face of the Earth suddenly falls over dead within the same second".

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jazzageguy t1_j9czhlv wrote

Indispensable morally and ethically, I agree. But indispensable pragmatically, systemically, in practice? Seems to me that human connection is being dispensed with at an impressive rate in the modern medical matrix, and much of it is already gone.

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pumpkin20222002 t1_j9czdqq wrote

True but we never had the mapped human genome with the ability to edit individual genes until recently. Would i want to test the effects of messing with some genes? No, but of I had a crippling genetic affliction yes, I would. Everything from downs, to alzheimers to MS can start to be at least looked at.

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Lord0fHats t1_j9cz910 wrote

4: Assimov's writing has extensive exploration of the three laws being insufficient beyond hypotheticals to assuage the fear of robots in men or to answer any the moral and ethical dilemmas they present.

I feel like at least part of the point of it all was that while the three laws embodied good principals they're too rigid in practice to actually be the basis of any sort of programmed behavior.

One of his stories is about the second and third law contradicting each other and locking the robot in a loop.

Another explores the duality of lying to spare people their feelings/hurting them by not telling the truth.

Others explore the ways the laws could inevitably be turned against people themselves.

Because the point of the Three Laws isn't to provide an answer for people's fear of machines. It was mostly fodder to create interesting and dramatic moral dilemmas. I.E. The three laws are not a serious proposal for how we deal with this problem.

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pumpkin20222002 t1_j9cyyq9 wrote

It's a cycle that isn't sustainable, wages haven't kept up with inflation since the 80s so now it takes 2 people 30yr, 45yr mortgages with little downpayment to get a house, it's not supply and demand it's easy lending and low wages in a system dependent on non stop growth that guarantees inflation and a wealth gap where billionaires accumulate and don't redistribute wealth back into the system.

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prion t1_j9cyv1h wrote

Nope.

How about this for consideration.

Progressive taxation as follows

1 house - Regular property tax

2 homes - 200% property tax on each home

3 homes - 300% property tax on each home

etc

etc

Same taxation regulations on individuals or businesses

This will lead to very few people owning more than 2 homes while still allowing for the buying and selling of homes and people to move freely throughout the world as they see fit.

It will also prevent real estate investing from incentivizing the increasing of prices in the name of profits rather than the only legitimate reason for increasing prices which is increases in costs.

Your in the right ballpark, you are just on the wrong base

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EstimateCivil t1_j9cxmr7 wrote

Yeah it's been the leading theory for psychiatric disorders for decades.

And maybe that's true. My friend that lives with me is "genetically depressed" and is completely reliant and dependant on her ssri's, the ssri are prescribed in such a high dose that coming off them is Hella dangerous. think serotonin sickness, seizures migraines etc.

Personally I think he she changed her environment she has an excellent chance at weaning off her SSRis ... If she wants.

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pumpkin20222002 t1_j9cw1gr wrote

Eh i agree but i wouldn't phrase it like that....or else idiots start pedaling the natural gut remedies. From the studies I've seen yes they can explain it by gut biome yes.....but more so a dysfunctional or active gene that produces extra or not enough of something in the gut... similar things have been detected for lots of psychosis and genes that don't produce serotonin, it is an interesting field.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7226078/

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bogglingsnog t1_j9ctc6t wrote

That link you provided made an enormous claim, that an interferometer NASA is building can generate a warp bubble, with no direct source provided.

It would be nice if humanity could prepare for nascent technologies before they transform society, that would be an amazing technology in itself!

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Low-Restaurant3504 t1_j9ct8c0 wrote

1: Asimov's 3 laws of robotics is about Artificial Intellegence. It already applies.

2: That is not how Artificial Intellegence works. If you don't want it to kill humans, don't build it to kill humans.

3: The random weird responses from currently available chatbots, are just that... random and weird. It's contextually responding based on Keywords. Anything it says has no thought, meaning, or intention behind it.

In conclusion, you can calm down, and maybe cut back on the scifi movies.

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craeftsmith t1_j9cscsv wrote

This is probably a small thing, but I know of one job that got eliminated by ChatGPT. I was doing a research project, and encountered a topic I didn't understand. Normally, we would have hired a grad student to do the research. I tried ChatGPT instead, and was able to solve all the research hurdles. I saved my employer about $15k by doing that.

I don't know how scary that is. If I was the grad student, I would be upset.

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j9cpg87 wrote

I find it worrying that people think people need to constantly have jobs, or "tHe rIcH wIlL rePlACe uS!". Can we finally just accept that with these massive improvements in efficiency and productivity, maybe, just maybe, we can devote a smaller part of our lives to work? The 40 hour work week is going on for 80 years now, despite the world being completely different from that pre world-war II, and our productivity increased at least 5 times.

The best thing that could happen is for AI to automate away most of the jobs, and yes that requires a different economy, and no, the rich won't throw you away. You can still vote for politicians. Stop watching so many movies.

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NickOnMars t1_j9cpegg wrote

You have to look at the broader picture. It's good to see better intelligent beings evolved from Earth, be it human or not. You've to admit if there's a sentient AI, it has a better chance than human in freely exploring different universes.

By the way, if next generation AI becomes sentient, I can expect they're generally more rational than humans. Because their food source, power, is different from ours, and they're not as picky as us choosing where to live, I don't see we've so much conflict of interests that can raise a war.

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Stealthy_Snow_Elf t1_j9cp5fx wrote

Honestly? MIT, because MIT point-man for a lot of this shit, and they publish a lot in their school newspaper I think. Granted, some of it overlaps and will be in The Crimson (Harvard) because MIT and Harvard have this partnership.

Other than that, I usually just randomly search and read scientific publications about it and such.

Scientific American? I don’t really know. I’m so used to nobody really keeping an eye on this stuff (or any cutting edge stuff in a way that doesnt include useless noise) I just figured out how to look for it on my own a long time ago. Because some people have good stuff, but then they’ll also just post bullshit things, and then others its just all opinions.

Like the science is moving way faster than anybody realizes and so the news for whatever reason makes it sound way slower, less progressive than it is (which is odd given their affinity for misrepresenting random studies).

Tldr: you gotta find it yourself. Nobody has a one stop shop yet.

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