Real metaverse will happen when you can seamlessly integrate it with your life. When you can line your walls with panels that project perfect 3d images holodeck-style, and I doubt that we are that far off from something that resembles it. You won't get decent market penetration if it requires you to wear something on your face.

VR worlds won’t be a “thing” until the way you interface with it gets better. Until then it will feel awkward. Hands are getting better all the time but legs and walking and running are still disjointed of you need to use something other than your legs to do the moving.

AR on the other hand has only visuals and hands to deal with as you are interacting with VR things in the “real world”. I can see AR being a big “thing” soon but the device needs to be smaller lighter and more portable and longer lasting on battery. Imagine theaters that no longer need to set up big projectors and speakers and just streams into your AR set and displays a massive IMAX level screen and headphones you supply or the theater supplies.

Neurology, neurosurgery and neuroprosthesis, nanobiology

Lol OP thinks being able to use Google or Wikipedia can be considered a full-time job

Correct. The metaverse is bullshit made up by people desperate for a new grift.

Yes.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS

More than just about every other developed country on the planet, including all of those with nationalised healthcare, even when adjusted for GDP, population, etc.

That's PRECISELY my point. You're spending shit on insurers because you want the insurers to profit, and if you just spent LESS but on nationalised healthcare, you'd do better and nobody would be profiting from sick people.

Your healthcare is among the most expensive in the world not because it's the best (far from it), but because you're the only first-world nation not to have nationalised healthcare and the only one to let health insurance dictate how it works, to their profit.

Plus, it's hard to read sarcasm in text. You got a way to tell MoCkInG tExT or SHOUTING TEXT but i think that's about it.

The way I said it would? Its been 38 minutes. Were at the start of it right now.

Youre confusing not being able to read your attempt at a joke via text with no context as to your personality with our ability to communicate as a whole.

A fine debate, i’m on the side of don’t say words you know you shouldn’t say, regardless of circumstances.

Go on stage and have a lifetime experience. No reason to make a fool out of yourself. Plenty of other words to sing along to

With all the billions and time already spent trying to make a good enough ML model, what is preventing the use of a more traditional approach from working?

It doesn't matter to the people who lost jobs due to the tech if they can't take those jobs. In the long run there may be a net benefit, but to the individuals hurt by it there is no benefit.

I want to say, it already has happened and is happening. Meta just isn't where it's at. It's in VRC and a couple other smaller games like it. This small company has vastly proved to be a powerhouse more capable than Meta in getting VR tech off the ground for the dumbest reasons. I mean full body tracking, Haptic feedback suits and even adult items (unofficially) are supported through this game. VRC has done more for the small community of VR adopters and believers than Meta has done for anything VR related with the billions it's thrown at the 'problem'.

This simply isn't happening the way you said. If it did we'd be at record low employment, but unemployment is the lowest since the 50's.

Most manufacturing jobs were lost due to offshoring not automation improvements. Automation adoption has correlated with job growth, the jobs just change.

I wish the metaverse would just die already. Having to wear a headset is a hard pass. It’ll require developing something more akin to a holodeck as depicted in Star Trek for me to have any serious interest.

Don't bring someone on stage unless you want them to sing your lyrics.

Thing is demand for a lot of what you listed hasn't dropped despite there being several tools to massively improve productivity. We've seen huge increases in productivity since the 50's and we are now at 3.5% unemployment. I'm not familiar with cardiovascular specialist demand but I am an engineer.

The decrease in manufacturing wasn't driven by automation so much as it's been driven by offshoring manufacturing to other countries. As an engineer who works in automation, demand for engineers is still super high even with tools and software that vastly improve productivity. From a labor perspective we are automating many jobs but only out of a need because there aren't enough people willing to work at the wage we offer.

Which brings me to another point, my bigger concern is wages not jobs. Wages have not correlated with productivity. While this is related it's not the same issue and some solutions are similar and others are not. The wage issue is a problem now, not some theoretical future decades from now.

This article doesn’t make any sense but I’m too lazy to find the original paper.

No, your comment actually unintentionally clearly illustrates my point exactly. My statement was both sarcastically ironic and facetious in nature

No, there is huge reason to panic on jobs. We already have no protections and the cuts have begun and they will not stop. If the GOP takes over all three in the next american election, there will never be protections. People like to say "yeah we went from 10 to 5 jobs but another two popped up!" okay that was the industrial revolution, now were going from 5 jobs down to 1.

We're getting better at it. Also thats a terrible metric. Thats grading on what your school describes as communications which could be anything from corporate bullshit to more legit stuff.

Perhaps psychiatry. Some people may find it too odd to talk to a robot for psychotherapy. Or something like “computational medicine” where the machine does the work and you can take the credit.

This far nobody has come up with an actually compelling reason to use it, other than in gaming where already people are spending piles of time navigating fictional universes in 3D. (mostly without VR-headsets that *also* tend to subtract more than they add -- even people who do own VR-headsets usually end up spending more time playing without them than with)

I think it's a solution in search of a problem, really.

No, Amazon would *not* be a better place to shop if it was a "virtual mall".

I completely see the net difference being negative in the long run but AI and machine learning is still a ways off.

We also don't know what kind of jobs will pop up completely unrelated to this whole scare. And there's also a pretty big labor shortage right now that's only likely to worsen. Robots replaced a lot of factory employees but now there's entirely new jobs in software and automation. Point being there's likely a small net negative but tbh I'm not really concerned.

The bigger concern isn't about jobs but wages and matching productivity. Traditionally capitalists take improvements to production for themselves and don't spread the profits to employees.

Point being there's no reason to panic on jobs yet, but wage laws need to be updated including a reasonable UBI from corporate and wealth taxes. This isn't necessarily to do with job loss but wage stagnation that's been ongoing and a far more immediate issue.

Got me thinking! Tbh if there was clear value to be had that couldn’t be found anywhere else then those downsides wouldn’t matter. People had nausea and headaches from crt screens but access to a word/excel (or w/e they were named before) was THAT much better than the alternative that it didn’t matter