Ah, white utopia

So, you admit I have some points, you want to argue over whether its super localized (again as I pointed out and gave alternative disposal scenarios in the original post) versus could have larger cascading effects, as we see in all kinds of complex systems. (See above about fertilizer usage spread on continent, killing marine fisheries)

But ultimately.....it is NOT BS. Not at all. You say as much, and continue to pretend it is all FUD, though it clearly has been "argued over many times" for good reason.

Thanks for your 2 cents......

What they need to do is create homeless town .find a city in New York that has hardly anyone build tiny homes creat services that would be needed food bank Etc .

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There hasn’t been any drop in businesses or tourism due to homeless. If it has its due to remote work and covid. Unfortunately this has become an ‘accepted’ part of the city and society. Any solution that comes for this probably needs federal gov intervention. Because if NYC fixes it, other cities will send their homeless to nyc.

But we won't , it's too expensive and frankly mental health is considered a side issue since it's out of sight out of mind for most folks . I suspect that probably half of the homeless with me tal issue probably could live a normal life if they received regular treatment and had a support system and weren't thrown to the whims of capitalism.

Certainly not Cuba then.

If America was a Christian nation then people should be proud to show Jesus around all the streets of their cities to show Him how His gospel of love and concern for the poor and sick was being lived out

As this is not the case, it's a sad indictment

Damn, you might be onto something OP. Why has nobody ever mentioned this??

Why would there be any requirements? If people want to do drugs, that is their business. Their (short) life, their choices. Same is true for work or rejection thereof.

A 20 store assembled concrete building full of small appartments will suffice. The most functional inhabitans can be employed part time for basic maintance operations.

It's weird that people accept homeless lying on the streets causing all sorts problems, yet are outraged at the mere thought of free housing and no work requirements. Why would you care? The homeless guy is not working anyway.

Housing is dirt cheap on a basic level. As is food and clothing. It does not take much in resources to house, feed and cloth human beings.

As AI approaches the "outrage" about bums not working will probably fade, for the majority will be out of a job too in short order.

We have a new location proposed for a new Tent City. The NIMBY crowd is like “That’s right across from a school. Are you going to make sure residents are checked to not be on the SOR?” The Houseless-First crowd is like “That’s too close to train tracks, we need locations with great access to transportation and services that are centrally located that don’t have noise, light or smell pollution.” While the Coty Planners are like “I’m going to need to pay another couple million to my friends to consult on another location if this one is going to fall through.”

>It's an unsolvable dilemma.

Japan and Sweden have homelessness rates approaching zero percent. Did they use magic?

It's not an unsolvable problem, but we have to stop pretending we are helping mentally ill addicts by letting them run their own lives.

We have to involuntarily enter them into treatment programs.

Expensive is not the same as impossible, although it seems that way sometimes.

You are just a dreamer

Sailing ships didn't use a drop of fuel for the last 4,000 years, though their carbon footprint was massive! Entire forests were chopped down to build them. Their damage to nature was just as bad, if not worse

If it were an unsolvable problem, Finland wouldn't have solved it.

You too friend.

It’s inappropriate to bring up a active genocide when the topic is homeless populations.

I grew up in a socialist country and we still had plenty homeless.

To clarify: are you saying that homeless people should be eaten?

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That will partially solve the problem.

There are people who are homeless who just need a job or money or an affordable house. Low-cost housing and aid programs can help these people.

There are other people who are homeless who are incapacitated by mental illness and/or addiction and no amount of money or physical infrastructure will help them without a more purposeful intervention. Some people are afraid of living indoors, others would quickly ruin any shelter they were provided and make life miserable for their neighbors.

We need to rebuild our public mental health infrastructure and start involuntarily committing people for their own good. Letting a profoundly mentally ill person run their own life isn't empowering. It's cruel.

Like build big buildings to house the homeless in and have hospitals where we can place the mentally ill until they get better? Something like that?

Yeah, the city isn't spotlessly clean but I really only see a few in the subways, not like tent cities in the west. Maybe I just didn't go to the right area. But they aren't as visible here (NYC)

I live in NYC too, and we actually have a lot of resources for the homeless. New York City Department of Homeless Services (DHS) is pretty robust with a lot of programs and solutions for homeless people with different needs.

You can even call 311 to let them know if there's a person living on the street and they will come help get them connected with resources to assist them.

Extreme cases of homeless people with mental illnesses are the most visible and disruptive, but they're actually a very small percentage of the homelessness problem. But there are resources for them, they're just also the most difficult to reach.

I'm by no means an expert on DHS, but look into them they're doing pretty great work.

Count where you are on This bullet point list.

The city regularly "does something" about it or the brutal cold "does something", and it generally means removing the humans making others uncomfortable by their visiblity.