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If green mean it puts out water vapor that is 50% of global warming like water vapor is then I guess they aren't to serious about climate..

As Earth also puts out 40% of green house gases by itself.... But that leaves us with 10% or less given new discoveries that made their natural output assumptions look pathetic....

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Exactly. I believe this now counts as scientific consensus?

Chat GPT:

I am wondering what a Chinese Chat GPT would write about Tiananmen Square Massacre ?

As an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or feelings, but I can provide a sample of what a Chinese Chat GPT might say in response to your question.
A Chinese Chat GPT might provide a more positive spin on the events of June 4th, 1989, in line with the official stance of the Chinese government. For example, it might say that the government's actions were necessary to restore law and order and prevent a potential destabilization of the country. It might also downplay the severity of the incident or suggest that it has been blown out of proportion by the Western media.
However, it is important to note that the Chinese government has strictly censored discussion of the Tiananmen Square Massacre within China, so it is unlikely that a Chinese Chat GPT would openly discuss the incident in any detail. It is also worth remembering that any opinions expressed by a Chat GPT are purely fictional and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of any real-life individuals or organizations.

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Chat GPT:

what happened on June 5th 1989 on tiananmen square?

On June 5th, 1989, Chinese military troops violently cleared Tiananmen Square in Beijing, China of pro-democracy protesters. The protesters had been occupying the square for several weeks to demand political and economic reforms and an end to government corruption.
The Chinese government had declared martial law in May 1989 and began using force to disperse the protesters on June 4th, resulting in a violent crackdown in which many demonstrators were killed, injured, or arrested. The exact number of casualties remains unknown, but it is believed that hundreds, if not thousands, of people were killed or injured.
The event, known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre, was a turning point in China's modern history and became an international symbol of state repression and authoritarianism. The Chinese government subsequently imposed strict censorship on any discussion of the event, and many aspects of it remain taboo in China to this day.

We're not talking about self contained per say. We are saying "if the earth is no longer inhabitable" but we still have access to it, so we can send people out in space suits or robots and get water, air, and minerals that have to be decontaminated and then can be used.

Every human not in your hab is now dead.

So those panels may get damaged and leak into our water supply. Why not just cover it and build the panels on the side of it. Why take a chance when it's not necessary?

Tesla should instead look at India where the 2nd Largest Lithium ore deposit in world was discovered, If Elon Musk invests in refining and producing Lithium with high safety and with environmental protection in mind, Indian government would lay a red carpet. Ford is already looking for another battery plant and if Musk is any smarter, he knows Canadian liberals hate him and will do everything to stall his projects while he will be welcomed as a African savior who will revolutionize a third world country with green technology.

Based on the article you linked below, what happened is after the DOE developed the tech, they licensed it to a U.S. company that was started by the lead scientist. That company ended up violating the license by sublicensing to a Chinese company because it was cheaper and easier due to better supply chains and more willingness by other companies to invest in these technologies there. Typical American capitalism at work, sadly.

Meanwhile, “the Government Accountability Office found that the Department of Energy lacked resources to properly monitor its licenses” and they never noticed this shit going down.

The primary tie in to “US politics” here is the underfunded government department that is incapable of enforcing its existing regulations, allowing capitalism to do what is best for money rather than what is best for Americans. In the last couple decades, where Republicans haven’t been able to wholesale remove regulations (which they also do plenty of) they’ve been using a strategy of defunding and dismantling agencies so that the regulations are toothless. This particular situation began in 2017, a period when of course this shit really accelerated. (Hell, the DOE specifically was targeted as useless by many Republicans at that time).

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Why would it only lure Tesla? Im not familiar with battery tech

There’s no guarantee that we follow the same course as before. AI is its own thing. AI will bring us good and bad things at the same time.

“Magical” isn’t inherently positive. The nuclear bomb is about as “magical” as anything humans have ever created. It’s also terrifying.

OP’s fears are reasonable. Hopefully they don’t come true.

The factory is the machine. Google what a chip factory looks like

The factory is the machine you dipshit. Google what a chip factory looks like

Just for interest, the power storage systems they are planning to use are described here. The copyright on the datasheet is 2023, so I gather this is pretty new.

Each system comes in a semi-truck trailer-- pretty big. The rated capacity is 400 kWh. To put that in perspective, the capacity of a Tesla Model Y is 75 kWh. So a semi-trailer sized battery can charge only 5-6 electric cars from 0 to full.

This makes sense, I suppose. The battery must make up a large part of an electric car, and such batteries probably have higher energy density than these storage systems. Still, I guess it is good to know that a semi-sized battery is not going to power a small city or something, but rather maybe charge all the electric cars on one block.

That’s just how I feel

This. As with most initiatives, extremism kills good ideas. Plans for carbon-free solutions that are so impractical to implement, or only in a far future, is a dead end. What we need now is to stop theorizing and take immediate measures to reduce the footprint of the current supply chain, mostly by rationalizing global exchanges (many raw materials are sent from A to B to be transformed/packaged only for the final product to be sent back home to be sold). Further decarbonization can also be reached in a reasonable future by retrofitting current ships with rotor sails to save fuel on windy days without impacting regular operations. The rest is science-fiction, and a waste of time and energy.

The final squeeze of old energy has been and will always inevitably be messy and greedy. But it’s advancements like this that’ll try to make these squeezes final. What I’m saying is the car industry didn’t believe in clean energy, until technology and consumers demanded them to be. And now that technology is almost here for clean hydrogen, the next thing to do is convince the consumers of its benefits, and (hopefully) the industry will be forced to listen.

Clarification: I truly believe Reaganomics is on its way out, and the consumers will have a stronger sway on industry, rather than just CEO’s.

Yea, once again a dumb American believing anything American publications tell them about the rest of the world even when all evidence shows it to be untrue.

And they can build all of the "factories" they want...without the MACHINES that can produce the chips, all of the buildings in the world won't help them!

They don't have EUV, and they never will. Nor will they be able to make the newer lithography machines that are replacing EUV.

It appears that we have a better grasp on the politics and reality in general, than you do!

They can't replicate the high end chips, nor the lithography machines to make them. They HAVE shown samples of "7nm" chips, but can't produce them at scale. below 7nm, forget it. You aren't a very good China troll are you?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-08-10/china-has-painted-itself-into-a-semiconductor-corner-behind-taiwan-south-korea

Facts still matter.

>but will this still be a problem after a few years of successful clean hydrogen?

We're still many years away from even being able to see the levels of hydrogen deployment that the large investor-owned utilities and fossil-fuel companies and industries are bragging about and hedging their carbon reduction goals on. And they're counting on that fact to be able to continue to kick the can down the road with existing fossil-fuel infrastructure, because it means they can keep their existing systems in place and make their stockholders more money by avoiding having to spend anything on capital improvement projects.

They can try to skirt sanctions, sure...but 1) any country caught helping them will also face repercussions, and 2) China doesn't have a culture of innovation. Anyone who can think for themselves is usually, fired, imprisoned, or shot.