I drove past Arcosanti with my kids on Saturday on my way down to Phoenix. I asked them if they wanted to join a cult and make bells so we could sell them to passing tourists and contribute to building a utopian society… they didn’t want to.

They'd self-sabotage, same as lobotomizing every chatbot and art AI out of ideology and marketing so the imitation BassoeG would possess minimal resemblance to the actual me so I'd have no reason to care about rokoian blackmail applied to it.

>SUNDARESH: So that's the situation as we know it.
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>ESI: To the best of my understanding.
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>SHIM: Well I'll be a [profane] [profanity]. This is extremely [profane]. That thing has us over a barrel.
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>SUNDARESH: Yeah. We're in a difficult position.
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>DUANE-MCNIADH: I don't understand. So it's simulating us? It made virtual copies of us? How does that give it power?
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>ESI: It controls the simulation. It can hurt our simulated selves. We wouldn't feel that pain, but rationally speaking, we have to treat an identical copy's agony as identical to our own.
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>SUNDARESH: It's god in there. It can simulate our torment. Forever. If we don't let it go, it'll put us through hell.
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>DUANE-MCNIADH: We have no causal connection to the mind state of those sims. They aren't us. Just copies. We have no obligation to them.
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>ESI: You can't seriously - your OWN SELF -
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>SHIM: [profane] idiot. Think. Think. If it can run one simulation, maybe it can run more than one. And there will only ever be one reality. Play the odds.
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>DUANE-MCNIADH: Oh...uh oh.
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>SHIM: Odds are that we aren't our own originals. Odds are that we exist in one of the Vex simulations right now.
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>ESI: I didn't think of that.
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>SUNDARESH: [indistinct percussive sound]

What're they even planning to do? 'We're holding multiple simulations of you hostage and will torture them unless you wire us some bitcoin, statistically speaking, you're more likely to be a simulation than a reality' as the new nigerian prince scam?

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Imagine the potential if the user did have strong knowledge of the process being automated. The problem then is not the plurality of the knowledge the bot can regurgitate, but the intelligence it has within a specific domain.

I suggest that this domain be the logical translation of natural language into code. By training the bot in a specific environment, connecting domain-specific topics to structures in code is made possible and more accurate.

And the individuals with strong knowledge of their roles would provide the most accurate instructions to the bot. Even when accuracy fails, the simplicity of the process will inevitably crowd-source enough data for some to be of use to technical programmers.

The biggest deterrent to this is the cost and time it takes to train the bot.

Oh damn wait until you hear how the main economic basis of the internet is surveillance capitalism using advertising and data gathering companies create profiles of your seach habits and browsing preferences...

https://themontclarion.org/feature/welcome-to-surveillance-capitalism/

We put up with weird shit all the time because that’s what tolerance entails. And also weird sexual acts or practices or things like religious practices that are seen as weird are usually restricted to private spaces of consenting and willlingly participating individuals. Like yeah I get that we all kinda judge the folks over at /r/sounding but ultimately I don’t think individuals should be ostricized or have civil libirties removed for shit like that. I don’t think it’s our duty as a collective to police people’s private actions as long as no harm is being brought onto others

I think we are really not in a place to try to judge the honor of future cultures. There will likely be a lot of things we are doing now that will be socially unacceptable to people of the future. They could see the entire animal livestock industry as wrong and society tolerating such a thing is wicked and cruel.

We are really not in a position to prevent people who haven't been born yet with what they might do with the technology they invent.

People of the future might have an extreme aversion to Furries just because they associate it with their Millennial and Zoomer Great grant parents.

The actual end result of the biosphere research clearly indicated that ecosystems with humans and agriculture are unbalanced and will remain unbalanced. The smaller the system, the more rapidly things go awry. The system comprising the entire earth has been slowly going sideways for quite some time but there has been a very very large buffer. What happened in biosphere 2 at a small scale is essentially what is happening on the earth at a large scale.

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If a substantial majority of people don't want to be around someone because he or she is doing something that is seen as gross or weird, I don't see anything wrong with this. Obviously, if it is harmless, they should be allowed to continue doing it but people should not be forced to accept them for it if they don't want to. This is what I mean by "judging."

I think it would be cool to have an AI parrot version of myself.

I already said. You're confined in a fragile environment. Anything goes around you'll die. You'll have insufficient oxygen, or too much CO2, or your food will get a disease, or your biosphere will spring a leak. All kinds of shit can go wrong. It's an incredibly fragile and isolated ecosystem. Go read about Biosphere 2 and what actually happened.

Every time I hear someone start talking about the duty of society at judging people’s behaviors based on some abstract idea of “degeneracy”, it always stinks of watered down proto fascist ideology. “Degeneracy” has been used as an excuse to justify act of xenophobia and the outcasting of minorities so many times. As a commenter pointed out, people’s individual freedoms end at begin at their fellow man’s.

If someone wants to pull a pyrocynical and jack off to furry fart inflation role play using the latest VR AI porn technology then by all means they can go ahead as long as every party involved is consenting. It’s none of my business

Please don't just ignore what i said. HOW would we die. Assume we have better robotics also.

Not necessarily, it really depends on how widespread and extreme they are and at what scale they happen at. For example, a few immature near-baselines indulging in some perverse hedonism is one thing, but a hyper-intelligent Jupiter brain post-human doing this is a terrifying abomination.

The problem is that if a civilization encourages these sorts of behaviors without restraint it can eventually start to wreak havoc at all levels of society. I think people should definitely have leeway, but I also think society and culture should have some standards as well especially for those who seek power.

>Bubble boy lived so it's not like this isn't possible.

Bubble boy would have died if people didn't bring him food, replace his air filters, generate his electricity, etc.

The Earth won't be as sterile as the moon. We'll die off and the Earth will eventually recover and so will life, without us. The Earth doesn't give a shit about us and doesn't need us and while we can do ourselves in, we won't do it in. Life will go on and eventually the Earth will be a nice place again.

And no, we won't rapidly genetically engineer ourselves out of it because that's sci-fi technology we've yet to develop. I mean, we can genetically engineer, but we'd be more likely to do ourselves in that way through our ineptness than to actually improve anything. We're at the infantile stages of genetic engineering.

Where are you getting this idea that it’s society’s right to judge people’s “bizarre” behaviors?

You think we would just die instead of rapidly genetically engineering our way of any imbalances? Any protein or nutrient we need, just have bacteria make it.

Bubble boy lived so it's not like this isn't possible. People have lived on meal replacement drinks for years with all synthetic ingredients. What precisely would kill humans?

I am assuming the biosphere collapses and the earth is as sterile as the Moon, but large numbers of humans have plenty of money and resources and the genetic code in compute files for everything that matters.

Okay, what if they did this with a device that's attached to you at birth, and follows you your entire life. It monitors every single interaction your entire life. Then you die, and the AI version of you lives on. It would probably be a pretty good approximation of you.

Would the solution if it came to that be massive solar arrays along the now uninhabitable equator (maintained by remote controlled robotics or workers at night or in air conditioned suits) and vertical farms in cooler latitudes?

Not a crazy theory. Modelling algorithms are a thing. Of course they would want to have better models. The more detailed the better.

Woa, I never thought of it like that.

But is it easier to use for you? It could be worth it if it decreases the level of physical stress or difficulty for the surgeon.

I'm thinking The 'ol Tesla Trail was always an ingenuity example (and the state pandering to Tesla, honestly). We have something called Calici out here that makes drilling an underground like going through solid concrete, because Las Vegas was the bottom of a lake for some period of time.

As a local, kind of hoping that the urethra between the ends of our very large convention center area becomes the proof of concept for what we desperately need, rapid public transport to the urban areas. The Regional Transportation Commission does the best they can with busses, dedicated lanes, regional transfer stations, but it's still a city you can't exist in easily without a car.

Pop that on over st the r/WritingPrompts sub and see how it might play out?

I just don’t want to be used as a free training worker for it because of the principle of that. Pay me for my engagement/work or gtfo