First off, Frette doesn’t list fill amounts (red flag). I can almost guarantee it’s less than 25 ounces, though. Second, i have used a feathered friends pillow and comforter in the past. They are higher quality than Frette (85% down is unimpressive). If yours weighs a lot, it’s because it’s got a ton of feathers instead of down in it. Like I said, I subbed it out for the Coop pillow and it’s better. Third, the notion that a material quite literally designed by nature for the sole purpose of retaining warmth is “cooling” is a fitting way to end the conversation because you have no idea what you’re talking about and clearly don’t want to learn.

I remember those were beasts! They held up to so much abuse

I guess that's ok too...

Then why did you LoL at hotel bedding, Frette supplies hotels and is very well priced for the quality of their percale.

I think now I know why you think down pillows aren't good, as you just said that you don't own a pricey high quality one and you think they only weigh a pound.

Stop trying to convince me that I'm wrong for enjoying something that, for me, is supportive, comfortable, breathable and cooling, compostable, and machine washable. Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean that millions of other people don't like it.

Enjoy handwashing your latex.

Looks precisely nothing like a Nazi coat.

You can prolly look for some military surplus e-shop in your country, in Czechia there's a dozen of local shops where you can get some old trench coats

Well, they called themselves the Trench Coat Mafia, that doesn't help.

It would be a boiled wool, google says its called frieze in english but im not sure, we call it vadmal in swedish. Its a heavy wool weave that has been boiled to be very sturdy and water resistant

Waterproof, not bulletproof, ain't no centimeter of rubber in a jacket.

I mean, I have no reason to dislike the company other than being overpriced for what it is. A down pillow is nothing special - a little over a pound of down put into a cotton case. If I was going to get a pricey high quality down good, I’d get feathered friends. They actually use higher quality down than Frette, plus it’s cheaper.

But like I said, I wouldn’t get either of them. Down is good for one application: light weight insulation items in dry environments.

https://imgur.io/J91hkFh?r

Here you go, combined with this 1981 Dutch military uniform it looks awesome, sadly I don't have any photos of the two combined, I'll try to make one tomorrow after the uniform gets out of the washing machine

I know it's nice, if you're ever looking for some more I've found that uniforms from the 1980's fit very well with these coats as long as they're solid colour and not camouflaged, let me see if I can find a picture demonstrating that

TY

Very nice! Lots of room for adjusting and venting for how warm or cold it is. Functional epaulets are handy, too.

We found a vintage US Navy coat for a Grandchild. The quality of these fabrics is remarkable.

Hers doesn't have that great detailing in the back, just one flat vent for walking.

She said that it is remarkably waterproof.

You found a good thing 👌

Edit: Thanks again for getting back to me.

It's apparently felt, boiled in a specific way to keep water out, it's heavy and you should make sure to wear something under it because it's like a tiny cactus, prickly.

You have an issue with Frette?

They should pick 1 language, or idk speak Belgian

I can button up the main flaps, on the collar there's a piece of cloth and a button on both sides but my neck is too short to allow it to make a proper fit

Sadly no official waffle pockets, does have 2 regular large enough for waffle pockets though!

Here is a photo of the back of the coat! https://imgur.io/OWB06g5?r No, it doesn't have extra pockets, just the two on the front.

lol ok, look at hotel bedding 🤣

Pretty sure they even speak french and dutch in Belgium, so not a whole lot in common :p

I had a shorter Belgian AF (blue) coat like that. Never lived anywhere where it got cold enough to wear. It weighed a ton.

Sure I'll look at serious bedding forums, instead of every 5-star hotel in the world. I definitely think you're right, that people who's job it is to provide excellent sleeping experience are using the wrong products.

Never said down should be used for mattresses. Horsehair would be my pick there.

Yeah?

Quick edit: it still does??

I mean cmon tho. Belgium, Germany totally sounds like a real place doesn’t it